Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

[screambowl]

If Abhinandan's capture (alone) was the reason why India didn't escalate, in case of a war, you think there will be no POWs?
Every time some one gets shot down on the other side of LoC, the leadership will decide to de-escalate?

Only because his father was retd airmarshal and a fast friend of Dhnoa. Had he been like Nachiketa a commoner, India would have gone for the assault. So that's why. Otherwise, full blown missile strike was planed on Karachi . So they bargained the halt on Indian missile strike with return of the PoW and halted Indian assault.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Brahmos stikes were lined up after the airstrikes.

True, also you forgot to add the impactful and catchy slogans for the interview. Those were the ultimate weapons that were actually used.

 

[Hellfire]

Your awacs was on the ground at the time , by IAF own admission.
Check again before writing lies.

Can you cite where the IAF has said they were on ground?

I know what I speak of. Lot of self styled experts don't

 

[Hellfire]

Sir, for clarity, can you please elaborate how many fighter jets were on station? What I understand from minimal details heard, that 2 Su30 and 2 Mirage were there. Additionally 4 Mig21s joined during the engagement. Remaining close to 10 jets were on the way before engagement ended. Excluding support planes. Is there any correction in this statement? Thank you.

In the immediate theater we had 02 x Su-30MKIS, 02 x M2Ks and 04 x Mig 21s on ORPs. 01 x A50 was overflying general area Patni top but more due Eastward. The build up has been recorded in the AWACS data too.

As the build up was noticed the ORPs were scrambled as were other aircrafts from vicinity out of J&K ....

Just to clarify .... we have older Radars like TRS-2215D around in region (just as an example) with a range of 440 kms ... also THD-1955 which are rated to 1000 kms but we rate it to 450 kms for practical use. This is just as an indicator.

 

[Hellfire]

Hi, What do you think of these missiles allegedly from Mig-21 that Pakistan keeps on parading everywhere?

'Alleged" is the operative word.

 

[Hellfire]

Don't flatter yourself.
Your quadcopters don't need PAF.
Pakistan army shoots them down regularly.

Really? Well, wonder why your main communication node with the cellular tower overlooking the Athmuqam went up in flames ?

And quads?

Ask your PAF yahoos as to why the Herons move in at will

 

[Hellfire]

If Abhinandan's capture (alone) was the reason why India didn't escalate, in case of a war, you think there will be no POWs?
Every time some one gets shot down on the other side of LoC, the leadership will decide to de-escalate?
Another way of dealing with the shoot down incident was, going full on offensive, relentless missile strikes on their military installations.
If this is the mindset that we have, we can never really go in a war with another country.

Main reason is precisely why India did not hit across LC with ACs - Pakistan wanted a near war like condition with India over J&K, it would have changed the Indian narrative from counter terror strike to another Indo-Pak fracas.

 

[vstol Jockey]

I have tried to create a map of the situation as stated by AM Hari and this fits with what I had stated in the very early stages of this thread that AWAC was not in station and moved into station later when the battle developed.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Main reason is precisely why India did not hit across LC with ACs - Pakistan wanted a near war like condition with India over J&K, it would have changed the Indian narrative from counter terror strike to another Indo-Pak fracas.

This is about the immediate aftermath of
Feb 27

Revenge was taken at a time and place of our choosing

 

[screambowl]

I have tried to create a map of the situation as stated by AM Hari and this fits with what I had stated in the very early stages of this thread that AWAC was not in station and moved into station later when the battle developed.
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What is the probability that they also knew that our AWACS was in air? They have coverage that far? Or when they fired the AIM120 was it also for AWACS?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

What is the probability that they also knew that our AWACS was in air? They have coverage that far? Or when they fired the AIM120 was it also for AWACS?

Awacs was some 150 Km inside LOC

Amraam could not hit it

But these Pakistanis have even started
Claiming MI 17 fratricide as their kill

Main reason is precisely why India did not hit across LC with ACs - Pakistan wanted a near war like condition with India over J&K, it would have changed the Indian narrative from counter terror strike to another Indo-Pak fracas.

Just as 1965 was Not fully satisfactory for us , but we got Revenge in 1971

Similarly we will again get a chance for Revenge

 

[screambowl]

Main reason is precisely why India did not hit across LC with ACs - Pakistan wanted a near war like condition with India over J&K, it would have changed the Indian narrative from counter terror strike to another Indo-Pak fracas.

Can't digest the fact of Ind avoiding any war by avoiding to strike across LC when IAF already struck beyond IB, in KPK, when ground forces were ready to take on Haji Pir and Dagger. Ind rather wanted to escalate. Pakistan was already exposed when they launched counter raid.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Can't digest the fact of Ind avoiding any war by avoiding to strike across LC when IAF already struck beyond IB, in KPK, when ground forces were ready to take on Haji Pir and Dagger. Ind rather wanted to escalate. Pakistan was already exposed when they launched counter raid.

See Our Revenge was about showing them how we too could Bomb their targets and positions

For many weeks after Feb 27 there CAPs and Near Skirmishes and large exercises

And in between we did hit at least 2 Times , that was the strong Buzz last year on Twitter

Basically then they lost the will to fight

It was a prolonged stand off

After we Removed 370 ,Pakistan ne
KYA UKHAAD LIYA

 

[Hellfire]

I have tried to create a map of the situation as stated by AM Hari and this fits with what I had stated in the very early stages of this thread that AWAC was not in station and moved into station later when the battle developed.
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Sir. Your post after Joe Sameer tweet (he is tagged everytime I want to have some fun on this nonsense)

If you read my post in the Batlle between Mig-21 & F-16, I had clearly mentioned that Mig-21 was positioned by GCIO and not by AWAC. I knew that AWACS got airborne later. Moreover M2K ops location is not Pathankot but further south in Punjab.

My assertion.

AWACS was on station. Over boundary of South Kashmir-Himachal-Punjab.

 

[Hellfire]

Sqn Ldr B is unhappy that you say he was not there in his AWACS...... he has such a nice baby girl .. that time a new father

 

[vstol Jockey]

Sir. Your post after Joe Sameer tweet (he is tagged everytime I want to have some fun on this nonsense)



My assertion.

My first post was very clear that AWAC was not in station. That is what I knew. But yes I did change it to what you have quoted after Joe write up as I too got in two minds about what I had known and what this guy was posting with such authority.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

IAF took Revenge for Kargil by shooting down Atlantique plane of PN

They are NOT the type to sit back idle

If today everything is calm because they did take Revenge

 

[vstol Jockey]

What is the probability that they also knew that our AWACS was in air? They have coverage that far? Or when they fired the AIM120 was it also for AWACS?

They will always know the location of AWAC thru their ESM systems. They dont need to even get their radars on.

 

[Hellfire]

My first post was very clear that AWAC was not in station. That is what I knew. But yes I did change it to what you have quoted after Joe write up as I too got in two minds about what I had known and what this guy was posting with such authority.

I have not ever had two minds. I posted in private conversation too as to who the crew is. I know the 44 Sqn and 50 Sqn (both Il-76s) as also 78 Sqn well .... too well I can say.

Now for simple reference I have placed AWACS at Patni top.

Kindly do let me know how AWACS was not able to cover the front

link for above

Draw a circle with a radius on a map

 

[vstol Jockey]

I have not ever had two minds. I posted in private conversation too as to who the crew is. I know the 44 Sqn and 50 Sqn (both Il-76s) as also 78 Sqn well .... too well I can say.

Now for simple reference I have placed AWACS at Patni top.


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Kindly do let me know how AWACS was not able to cover the front

link for above

Draw a circle with a radius on a map

I will still put the AWAC's initial position over Himachal Pradesh. It moved north later when the PAF strike packgae took Bar CAP position. Plus putting AWAC over Patnitop will make it vulnerable to high speed dash missile firing by F-16s. The distance from LOC to Patnitop is very less. Moreover Patnitop already has very powerful radars which look further deep in Pakistan.