The Four JF 17s did not move forward an inch
They were clearly stopped by the 2 Mirage.2000
There were locks and breaking of locks for many minutes
Infact we did.well by Not Firing Mica or R 77 in haste
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16
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The Four JF 17s did not move forward an inch
They were clearly stopped by the 2 Mirage.2000
There were locks and breaking of locks for many minutes
Infact we did.well by Not Firing Mica or R 77 in haste
However at 11 AM we did announce
A 3 month Air space ban -- North of Delhi but withdrew it in 2 days
They had locked an Indigo flight
many ppl on twitter give the impression that IAF is an extremely incompetent force ,a force with a budget around 12 billin $ and still doesnot have tech edge over those having annual budget of 1.5 billion $
many ppl on twitter give the impression that IAF is an extremely incompetent force ,a force with a budget around 12 billin $ and still doesnot have tech edge over those having annual budget of 1.5 billion $
many ppl on twitter give the impression that IAF is an extremely incompetent force ,a force with a budget around 12 billin $ and still doesnot have tech edge over those having annual budget of 1.5 billion $
The Reason for this is the Non Disclosure
About " What happened AFTER FEB 27 "
War is NOT a 15 minute game played on Feb 27 , which is how , the Pakistanis portray it
They have made Feb 27 into a " Festival "
The Real action was in the Several Months after Feb 27
It's not possible with the Phalcon's primary radar. SARH on the R-27 is X band. So only another X band radar can help guide it. An SARH missile works like a receiver to the fighter jet radar's transmitter. So the Bars's transmission that is reflected off the target is picked up by the R-27 which allows it to home in on the target. The Phalcon's L band will obviously not be recognised. So the only way this is possible is if the Phalcon also carries an X band radar. And this is only the hardware problem.
For the software bit, the R-27 would require integration with the Phalcon's radar, which is not possible considering it requires a lot of source code sharing between the Russians and Israelis.
However active radar missiles can be guided by AWACS using datalinks and the missile can then home in on the target using its own seeker. L band is not as accurate as a fighter jet radar, thereby increasing its chances of missing, but this is realistically possible. The same is also possible with an IR missile.
SARH missiles are generally built specifically for only fighter jet radars or SAM's FCR. This way the receiver is not cluttered with all sorts of unwanted signals.
That's quite true. Paf get aim120 in 2008 , what did IAF did nothing. Even su30 were only carrying r77 and r73 not r27. Pakistan have more awacs than us. And now many people here are saying that they know more about retired high ranking IAF officials. Do read A.M. hari Kumar interview on week . The truth is that IAF will get there *censored* kicked if it was Chinese.. totally disappointed the only thing that happens good that day was mig21 killing f16 but even then it was hastily decision by Abhinandan.. mirage were Integrated with spice and crystal maze by jugaad , one of them even malfunctioned ..
Hit and run - The Week
If tomorrow ISPR tweets that Indian PM Modi secretly visited GHQ and begged for pilot in a bid to de escalate , this idiots Pakistanis will blindly believe it. They might even believe the rhetoric that Modi signed a surrender like Tiger Niazi.
There reply for 90k biryani plated for 2 years is a single cup of chai for 3 days. I pity them.
Please everyone say Endia lost Pakistan won.
There reply for 90k biryani plated for 2 years is a single cup of chai for 3 days. I pity them.
Please everyone say Endia lost Pakistan won.
first of all, why arent we talking about the fact that India bombed inside Pak's international border?
second - the response from Pak was into J&K only (something they claim is theirs as a whole).
third - after all the talk about "you hit us and we will nuke you" - this is a blatant "tail between the legs" when we bombed you inside the international border.
bear with me for a moment but:
1) your folks kept on pestering that they are ready for war anytime
2) threatened with nuclear attack, NASR, mini nukes
3) literally eating grass now to get the said nukes
but when India did hit you in your own home, all you did was prevent a second hit inside your own home and then returned the pilot.
which country when fired upon would return the enemy combatant without any treaty or agreement?
which country would tolerate all neighbors molesting their sovereignty and still does nothing? (USA drones, Iran, aghanistan durand line,India - and you gifted your land to china without them even having to ask)
second - the response from Pak was into J&K only (something they claim is theirs as a whole).
third - after all the talk about "you hit us and we will nuke you" - this is a blatant "tail between the legs" when we bombed you inside the international border.
bear with me for a moment but:
1) your folks kept on pestering that they are ready for war anytime
2) threatened with nuclear attack, NASR, mini nukes
3) literally eating grass now to get the said nukes
but when India did hit you in your own home, all you did was prevent a second hit inside your own home and then returned the pilot.
which country when fired upon would return the enemy combatant without any treaty or agreement?
which country would tolerate all neighbors molesting their sovereignty and still does nothing? (USA drones, Iran, aghanistan durand line,India - and you gifted your land to china without them even having to ask)
What would you suggest, can intelligent systems be implemented and trusted upon to identify the pattern whether scrambling jets and a slow buildup of adversary be recognized as a strike package over a time? Could an AI supported system be able to warn in advance?
@Falcon @randomradio
The answer is LRSAM at key points
With launch authorisation even if the enemy plane is at more than 10KM
If you scramble everytime the enemy is in air , you are giving him the initiative
Both nations inform each other about the exercises they undertake well in advance. If just a day after Balakot you see such a large build up of forces and yet that does not make you worried. than there is something seriously wrong.
We will have to incorporate an immediate Offensive Counter Air strategy within our overall Escalation ladder
You cannot Call CCS meeting after you have been bombed
The Western Air Command should have the authority to launch counter strikes
Immediately
Every minute of delay gives the enemy
An Advantage to Start his Propaganda
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The counter terror op was done by India.
So when PAK retaliated, in essence, they were here coz we killed their jihadis.
In such situation, the change of narrative would have been due to PAF's action, right?
I see that as an advantage, as that paints them as the aggressor.
Secondly, Pakistan wanted a war like situation?
I find this strange given they fully knew that in such a situation, they would have been hammered black and blue.
Given the current condition of pak (wasn't any different one year back), how were they thinking of going to a full blown war with India?
The major problem with what happened (other than India not going up the escalation ladder) was the old RoE - else, PAF was about to get their a** handed to them on a platter. The fact that IAF had got it's fighters up and an old M21 managed to put a R73 up a Falcon's a**, shows what their condition would have been, if IAF was allowed to go all out.
Now, regarding the undeclared action (by IAF) post 27th Feb, what is this about?
Is there any credible source of information on this?
If so, are these in the public domain?
The narrative is good to get new NG-BVRs.
Or outgunned because the aggressor was able to fire (obviously) first and scoot fast.
A.M. hari Kumar said nothing like that. Fanboys detached from realities come to twitter to vent their frustrations.
PAF acquired AIM-120, what can IAF do?
PN acquired SSB, what can IN do?
The quasi-military state acquired a nuclear device, what can India do?
We getting more nuclear devices won't nullify the effectiveness of pakistani nukes or more Arihants won't solve the SSB problem. similarly, PAF having AIM-120 did not take away our advantages of MICA or R-27. Say our mirages have had Meteor. Does that change the results? No. Did they get any kills ? No. AIM-120-C5 is on per with MICA or new Astra. US intentionally did not give better versions.
Crystal maze was integrated long ago with clearance from everyone involved. He mentioned procedural problems not technical. (Earlier Vishnu Som reported cloud cover which is the limitation of the weapon). A Phalcon was on the station so having more AWACS does not matter here. and PLAAF will do what again?
Secured datalink and software-defined radio.
if russians missilles (BVR) are so effective why russians are not engaging turkish f 16 ,2 year back turkey shot down a russian jet ,few days back again they shot down two su 24 and yet both russians and syrians have accepted it as a fait accompli.bombing a base is another thing but whenever the west has provoked russians or their allies in air combat they have chickened out
Only the first Su24 was Russians and the matter was immediately resolved. The recent incident was involved Cyrian jets.
If you have good SAMs which F-16s fear, why get jets on air?
Russians are Flying Su 35 and have Deployed S 400 in Syria
Otherwise Turkey would be bombing All of Syria
i know the last 2 were syrian jets ,points remains the same russians (syrians )chickened out or got shot down ,havent heard any us jets getting shot down
regarding the efficacy of russians SAM yes everybody agrees they are somewhat more potent