Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

safriz said:
The MKI was engaged at BVR ranges 40-50 km inside IOK .
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40-50 km inside J&K would be in all probability a densely populated area. There is no way with a hostile local population there would be no video of that. Remember that the helicopter crash video was all over within minutes. Moreover, unlike Pakistan where the army publicly refuses to make disclosures in the Parliament, every casualty figure in the Indian armed forces are required to be disclosed in the Parliament and that is the reason why you will always see consistency in the claim of own casualty in each and every skirmish whereas for Pak every war/skirmish battle casualty keeps changing with time and source! To the extent think of it Pak army official count and Musharraf's figures differ by around 150 for Kargil! And PPP & PMLN put that number at more than 1200 and 2000 respectively!
First, you claimed 2 MIG-21, then you started claiming a Su-30. Then your PM in NYT claims only one Mig-21. Pehle jhuth decide karlo!
Also, you will never be able to account for that 1 missing pilot lol! Assuming that you are a rational person not high on " Pak army lumber 1" kool-aid, it's likely you yourself realise there is something seriously amiss with the disappearing of the second pilot!
 
safriz said:
The MKI was engaged at BVR ranges 40-50 km inside IOK .
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If you look at every video headline says it was shot down in pakistani airspace. This is from al jazeera, an organization which is nothing short of a muslim mouth piece.

As per pakistanis all kashmiris are part of muslim ummah who want to join pakistan, as such that they would have been the first to show the world that India lost a fighter jet. Consider this when locals can be found at helicopter crash can they not find a aircraft debris. For pak sponsored jihadis who openly take responsibility for any attack in India this would have been mouth watering opportunity. But no such thing happened why?

As I said sum dont equal the parts. There are too many holes in the story. Probably this is worse than kargil shame where pakistan refused to accept their own dead.

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Sunnylol said:
40-50 km inside J&K would be in all probability a densely populated area. There is no way with a hostile local population there would be no video of that.
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exactly , thats the point. They would have been all over the place. Forgot about ppl in kashmir even our own journalists would have combed heaven & earth for their 5 mins of fame (shame?) disregarding the national security. They would have lost no time in using the incident against modi govt.
 
Arvind said:
Since when life of one men start defining course of wars? Just imagine how serious objective of all this military action was if danger to one live can offtrack whole process.

Should we cease our intelligence wings to get back Kulbhushan?
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Arvind said:
Since when life of one men start defining course of wars? Just imagine how serious objective of all this military action was if danger to one live can offtrack whole process.

Should we cease our intelligence wings to get back Kulbhushan?
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But in this case it was exactly what happened. First of all this was not a war but a skirmish. We had successfully averted the attack on our assets even though we were at a disadvantage numerically and they had the element of surprise with them. We were following peace time roe for some dumb reason. And after their failed strike we would have attacked on their assets but the momentum dropped the moment abhinandan got captured. Had we attacked abhinandan would be languishing in some shitty porky jail in Balochistan or somewhere. Our objectives were already achieved. Now logically escalating to free abhinandan was foolish because more harm would have been done and how would you justify escalation which would lead to Pakistanis releasing abhinandan. That automatically happended when we went silent and the IN had it's missiles pointed at Karachi. The Pakistanis automatically understood that having abhinandan was more dangerous than not having him and they released him. The whole focus went from Pakistani incursion to saving abhinandan. The Pakistanis did not achieve any real objectives apart from saving face. The IAF can waste plethora of outdated munitions if we really wanted too but there was no target. Why save face when none was lost? Nothing of material was lost apart from the helo and mig 21 which was our fault nothing which the Pakistanis achieved on their own. The PAF did not give us any casualties to be clear abhinandan came back alive, the mig 21 is already way over it's time so not a major capability loss unlike the Pakistani F16. The mi 17 shootdown is sad but it was a case of friendly fire nothing that the Pakistanis did. It was a case of incompetence from the both the pilot and the spyder's operater. The Pakistanis are already stretched militarily and their entire economy works on feeding their military and losing a top of line fighter only makes it worse for them.
 
safriz said:
Exactly.
Even Modi was avoiding to acknowledge Abhinandan in Pakistani custody in his TV interview despite being asked by the host.
I don't have a link to that particular interview on 27th February..but the will try to find.
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There was no interview by Modi on 27th... or days after.....Atleast in India.....
 
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safriz said:
All 4 of Abhinandan Mig-21 missiles and ejection seat in storage.


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You should house all such artefacts in a mueseum & call it 1971. Here Pakistan is on its knees in more ways than 1. It's economy is the doldrums, it's relying on the IMF to bail it out. With China & MENA combatting the COVID-19 virus, neither do they have your attention nor spare cash.

Which brings me to another important point, that of oil prices. With a plummeting global economy, fears of recession & an oil price war along with COVID-19, expect no aid from your Acqas in the gulf. What's worse is that they could start laying off Pakistanis in huge numbers

You get to face a double whammy. Unemployment, dropping foreign currency remittances from the Gulf / MENA region and lakhs returning home with the COVID-19 virus to add to mess in Paxtan.

Oh, did I mention the swarms of locusts destroying crops in Sind & Punjab? That and your wazir e azam has already asked Paxtanis to brave themselves for the impact of the COVID-19 virus coz he knows there's nothing he can do about it. He can't even ask Paxtanis to self quarantine else they'd die of hunger.

And you're on here about a minor skirmish from more than a year ago when you don't even know if in a year from now the Paxtan you've known all your life will even exist.
 
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Milspec said:
why would you deny the little joy they have from what they perceive as their historic victory for them.
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Not perceived, it was an actual victory.
As a proof we still have this.
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You had some crayon drawn lines and a piece of missile which was used to shoot down your plane.
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And who can forget this "Irrefutable proof" ...drawn by a crayons welding toddler 😅

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safriz said:
Not perceived, it was an actual victory.
As a proof we still have this.
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You had some crayon drawn lines and a piece of missile which was used to shoot down your plane.
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And who can forget this "Irrefutable proof" ...drawn by a crayons welding toddler 😅

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your f-16 pilots can't even handle basic manoeuvre and are flying the planes into the ground , and thats supposed to be your top gun and you seriously believe you shot down a MKI?
a country which does not produce anything better than india except terrorist cannot make better soldiers either , most of your pilots are sifaarshi just like your every institution.

if you had all your F-16 infacts PAF could have just lined them all up and called all the media to show them , they have done it before? why they didn't do it?

if 27th was such a victory that you could have finished entire IAF in few hours why didn't you?

come and destroy IAF , if you could do it once do it again na , rafael haven't been delivered we are using same old data links and you can still JAM them , just invade us already.

just come rolling in shouting your qalma and your F-16 will be fighting with winged ruhaani horses and kill the infidel indians after all 1 pakistani soldier equals to 10 hindu baniyas?

we are raping and committing muslim genocide and slaughtering kashmiris like lambs where is brave PAF Fizzilya and PAF afaaj?

proof is in the pudding little boy you lost a f-16 to a mig and had your multiple terrorist camps blown on 26th and then failed to destroy any indian building or the HQ that you planned because all your shitty DENEL MUPSOW(repainted H-2. H-4 or RAAAND missile were jammed)
see below warhead didnt explode because its circuit wee completely fried into oblivion.

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now you can go return to being pointless and grooming teenage white girls in UK.
 
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safriz said:
Not perceived, it was an actual victory.
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buddy, We dragged half your army on their knees from Dhaka to jabalpur camp. When a standing army capitulates in two weeks of it's box office opening, and the enemy's throat is under your heels resulting in the largest surrender since WWII, That's a victory.

The eunuchs you celebrate as your heroes know this better than anyone else, the ones you keep elevating to lead your armies.
 
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Milspec said:
buddy, We dragged half your army on their knees from Dhaka to jabalpur camp. When a standing army capitulates in two weeks of it's box office opening, and the enemy's throat is under your heels resulting in the largest surrender since WWII, That's a victory.

The eunuchs you celebrate as your heroes know this better than anyone else, the ones you keep elevating to lead your armies.
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Playing the same old 50 year old broken record of 1971?
That wasn't Indian victory at all.
There was the world's largest cyclone called Bhola cyclone in November 1970. That destroyed all infrastructure .
From then to March 1971 Bangali people got desperate due to spread of diseases and food shortages.
Then came Indian propaganda, which wasn't even Indian, but arranged by KGB , in which india blamed the natural disaster on Pakistan and Pakistan army and the stupid Bangla babu believed it.
From March to October the Mukti bahini insurgency happened, further complicated by political tussle between Mujib and Bhutto, both of whom claimed victory in elections.
Also in March 1971 Bhutto lured Mujeeb to Islamabad, had him arrested and locked up in Mianwali prison

In October 1971 Captain Zia , later General and president of BD , captured Chittagong radio and announced freedom. That had snowball effect and BD police and paramilitary who until that time were with Pakistan army, rebelled and from there onwards it was game over already.
India only came in November , and couldn't do anything to west Pakistan despite trying . Instead lost many planes and ships to Pakistan.
East Pakistan was already gone and India just took an already available opportunity for point scoring.
Not a victory , just opportunism.
Sheikh Mujeeb who is called the "Founder of Bangladesh " want even in Bangladesh from March 1971 to January 1972 when he was sent to London by Bhutto under an agreement with India brokered by the British , and from there he went to kiss Indra's hands and onwards to Dhaka and straight away became "Father of the nation".

About being enunch... I wonder which eninch left his "Chaddi" which at display in PAF museum?

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safriz said:
Playing the same old 50 year old broken record of 1971?
That wasn't Indian victory at all.
There was the world's largest cyclone called Bhola cyclone in November 1970. That destroyed all infrastructure .
From then to March 1971 Bangali people got desperate due to spread of diseases and food shortages.
Then came Indian propaganda, which wasn't even Indian, but arranged by KGB , in which india blamed the natural disaster on Pakistan and Pakistan army and the stupid Bangla babu believed it.
From March to October the Mukti bahini insurgency happened, further complicated by political tussle between Mujib and Bhutto, both of whom claimed victory in elections.
Also in March 1971 Bhutto lured Mujeeb to Islamabad, had him arrested and locked up in Mianwali prison

In October 1971 Captain Zia , later General and president of BD , captured Chittagong radio and announced freedom. That had snowball effect and BD police and paramilitary who until that time were with Pakistan army, rebelled and from there onwards it was game over already.
India only came in November , and couldn't do anything to west Pakistan despite trying . Instead lost many planes and ships to Pakistan.
East Pakistan was already gone and India just took an already available opportunity for point scoring.
Not a victory , just opportunism.
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Toh maamu, paani mein rehkar magarmach se kyon bair karte ho?
 
safriz said:
Playing the same old 50 year old broken record of 1971?
That wasn't Indian victory at all.
There was the world's largest cyclone called Bhola cyclone in November 1970. That destroyed all infrastructure .
From then to March 1971 Bangali people got desperate due to spread of diseases and food shortages.
Then came Indian propaganda, which wasn't even Indian, but arranged by KGB , in which india blamed the natural disaster on Pakistan and Pakistan army and the stupid Bangla babu believed it.
From March to October the Mukti bahini insurgency happened, further complicated by political tussle between Mujib and Bhutto, both of whom claimed victory in elections.
Also in March 1971 Bhutto lured Mujeeb to Islamabad, had him arrested and locked up in Mianwali prison

In October 1971 Captain Zia , later General and president of BD , captured Chittagong radio and announced freedom. That had snowball effect and BD police and paramilitary who until that time were with Pakistan army, rebelled and from there onwards it was game over already.
India only came in November , and couldn't do anything to west Pakistan despite trying . Instead lost many planes and ships to Pakistan.
East Pakistan was already gone and India just took an already available opportunity for point scoring.
Not a victory , just opportunism.
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Pakistani Education perhaps.
 
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