Let me rephrase - PA gets its immoral victory. They dont know this word either but they fall dead straight here.
Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16
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Let me rephrase - PA gets its immoral victory. They dont know this word either but they fall dead straight here.
So refreshing to hear a different excuse for 71 debacle, was quite bored of a country apart and civil war cries (in repeat).
By they way, isn't enemy suppose to hit you when you are most vulnerable? When this act of enemy becomes traitorous? Or less to boast about?
As if, it was not bhola, those 90K would have behaved any differently or Yahya Khan would not have been dishonored by same army he commanded or he would have been a lessor womanizer.
But then who cares of wars, Mig21 down and sab jakhm bhar gye without knowing that there could be a lot more than what is being told.
Mig 21 down is another champions trophy for you guys. Celebrate till it lasts.
Just tried to fix Indian crowd's ignorance about Bhola cyclone which created world's biggest storm surge which was so massive that the record still stands.
To be honest the Pakistani crowd are as ignorant about this natural calamity.
Yes enemy will take any opportunity, but not much of a victory as east Pakistan was devastated by natural disaster.
That was pretty coward of India, attacking a country I'm the midst of a humanitarian crisis caused by a natural disaster.
Should be ashamed.
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You mean but for cyclone bhola, the apathy of west Paxtan in remedying the situation & not honouring the election verdict of the 1971 elections, everything else was hunky dory between both parts of the nation. There was a lot of aman & bhaichaara, isn't it till banias came in & turned brother against brother. Moonh pe ram bagal mein churi types.
What are the reasons for which we should expect that Abhinandan's Mig-21 didn't get jammed?Oh, that's simple. PAF got our comm details etc, because you are reading propaganda.
Anyway, during Balakot, we did not have BNET. Work on it commenced only a few days before Balakot.
AFAIK, this com jam news is just media speculation. I guess it was pushed by the Pakistan propaganda machine as well.
If com was jammed, then why did Abhi's wingman turn back? Abhi decided to Rambo across the border off his own volition, while his wingman listened to GCC's call and went cold.
How much behind was Abhinandan's wingman? Can it happen that only Abhinandan was in the vicinity of PAFs EW aircrafts?
One can easily assume the wingman was only a few feet away, 'cause that's how 4th gen and below operate. They basically fly like how ducks do, in a V formation. In fact the precision is so high that the one who follows only keeps his eye on the lead aircraft, that's the only way they can maintain formation. So if the lead decides to fly into a mountain, the others will also follow suit. So it's actually a pretty big surprise why the wingman did not follow Abhi into Pakistan. Some have speculated that Abhi told his wingman to leave after GCC instructions came in. But a wingman never abandons the lead, so it's also possible that Abhi tricked the wingman into going cold.
Only 5th gen separate themselves in some cases over a wide area in order to maximise sensor coverage.
ECM systems use small antennas. You will have to be many Kms away if you want to avoid it. So, if we assume the distance was 100Km between the DA-20 and Mig-21s, and the beamwidth was 5deg (which is actually the same as a small fighter radar for X band, so it's actually much, much bigger than this in UHF), then the 2 Mig-21s should be separated by a distance of 8+Km if the wingman is to escape the jamming. So it's impossible.
There was jamming by the Porkis. The female ground controller had ordered abhinandan to turn back but he went cold. So chances are pretty decent that when he came into the firing range of the f16 and used the r73 comms were being jammed. It's weird if Porkis were not using ew but their capabilities don't seem to be that great considering the only thing that they could jam was the comms. Abhinandan had crossed into *censored* airspace to take out the f 16 so Indian ew cover must have gone Either this or abhi's mig 21 experienced malfunction like how one su 30 did which was with Luthra.
Wingman should not have turned back irrespective any instruction. He should have stayed with his leader. Only reason why Abhi was shot down was because his wingman was not with him.
No there was a difference of distance. Just bad luck and coincidence that either his comms *censored*ed up or he was jammed. I hope there was wingman's story We could have known what had happened.
I agree, the wingman should not have left him. That's why I think the wingman was given misleading instructions by Abhi.
For example, if the wingman was on his left, Abhi must have said "Break left!" which the wingman complied with, but Abhi either kept going straight or turned right or whatever. Obviously it was too late by then, I highly doubt any pilot will try and circle around when facing as many as 9 F-16s.
My opinion is it was Abhi who abandoned his wingman.
Regardless of what happened I don't think comms were jammed. At worst they may have been degraded, but communication was likely still possible.
Is there analysis on what went right, and what went wrong for IAF on feb-27? I can google if given pointers. There is lot of fanboy stuff on internet, written by people with not much knowledge.
Even experts have peddled all wrong stuff, so there's nothing special on the Internet for you to read that is verifiably true.
Due to the sophistication of the Pakistani attack, I doubt the IAF is going to reveal much, whereas the PAF has only peddled lies since the very beginning.
All we know for sure is PAF attacked with a fuk load of jets and support aircraft. We had 2 MKIs and 2 M2000s to face that onslaught, with the support of a Phalcon. The MKIs were engaged while the M2000s were not. All the AMRAAMs fired at the MKIs missed. Then the PAF strike package threw everything they had at us. PAF correctly decided they wouldn't be able to breach our 4+6 aircraft formation, so they switched from their primary targets, two air force bases, to secondary targets, some army facilities close to the LoC. In the meantime some QRA Mig-21s closed in undetected and took them by surprise, as many as 6. GCC told them to come back, but Abhi decided to take the long way back. As for all the damage that followed, you already know.
Are you sure about even winning one war ?Are you sure about "All 3 wars" ?
Lol...
No wonder india with KGB arranged Shastri's assassination after 1965 humiliation and our president had to carry his corpse.
No wonder Pakistan with CIA arranged Zia's assassination after he fails do deliver.
This was just after Zia's meeting with Rajiv. Coincidence ?
Cross your heart dude, just answer one thing. Among ALL the war, which one resulted in a REAL change of territory? And I don't mean worthless a Peak here or a glacier there.