Air Battle over Kashmir : MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16

[safriz]

What's next? schoolyard namecalling?

When it comes to wars you can take your pick, across all 3 and a half of them, there won't be a fig leaf to cover your holy warriors behind.

About name calling .. well I pointed out that you don't know about Bhola cyclone of November 1970 and how big it was. Even USA took years to recover from Katrina , and Katrina was nothing compared to Bhola.
And That was 1970 , and East Pakistan was badly battered , and destroyed already by Bhola.
So what victory you achieved? Nil.
What india did was worsen an already apocalyptic humanitarian disaster by creating an insurgency. The effects lingered on after Pakistan left and Bangladesh was independent. The Bangladeshi famine from 1971 to 1974 claimed 3 million lives as there were no food stocks available in BD and India didn't help despite claiming to be Bangladesh founder.

Are you sure about "All 3 wars" ?
Lol...
No wonder india with KGB arranged Shastri's assassination after 1965 humiliation and our president had to carry his corpse.

 

[randomradio]

Playing the same old 50 year old broken record of 1971?
That wasn't Indian victory at all.
There was the world's largest cyclone called Bhola cyclone in November 1970. That destroyed all infrastructure .
From then to March 1971 Bangali people got desperate due to spread of diseases and food shortages.
Then came Indian propaganda, which wasn't even Indian, but arranged by KGB , in which india blamed the natural disaster on Pakistan and Pakistan army and the stupid Bangla babu believed it.
From March to October the Mukti bahini insurgency happened, further complicated by political tussle between Mujib and Bhutto, both of whom claimed victory in elections.
Also in March 1971 Bhutto lured Mujeeb to Islamabad, had him arrested and locked up in Mianwali prison

In October 1971 Captain Zia , later General and president of BD , captured Chittagong radio and announced freedom. That had snowball effect and BD police and paramilitary who until that time were with Pakistan army, rebelled and from there onwards it was game over already.
India only came in November , and couldn't do anything to west Pakistan despite trying . Instead lost many planes and ships to Pakistan.
East Pakistan was already gone and India just took an already available opportunity for point scoring.
Not a victory , just opportunism.

About being enunch... I wonder which eninch left his "Chaddi" which at display in PAF museum?

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Lol. What did I just read?

 

[safriz]

Lol. What did I just read?

Just curing your ignorance or at least trying to.
Whatever I wrote is independently varifyable. Google in your friend.
Regards.

 

[Golden_Rule]

What India did was worsen an already apocalyptic humanitarian disaster by creating an insurgency. The effects lingered on after Pakistan left and Bangladesh was independent.

LOL .... This is how arrogant psychopathic loser Koum twist their act of mass "rape and murder" as "apocalyptic humanitarian disaster" and subsequent "shame and defeat with 93K terrorists surrendered" as "after Pakistan left"

 

[Milspec]

Are you sure about "All 3 wars" ?
Lol...
No wonder india with KGB arranged Shastri's assassination after 1965 humiliation and our president had to carry his corpse.
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Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999

 

[randomradio]

Just curing your ignorance or at least trying to.
Whatever I wrote is independently varifyable. Google in your friend.
Regards.

Funny how you completely forgot to mention the general elections in 1970, the infringment of democracy and the subsequent genocide that followed right after.

Regardless of all the reasons you gave, ultimately, you decided to surrender to the Indian Army. Funny quirk of fate that is, considering it wasn't an Indian victory.

If that wasn't an Indian victory, then one can imagine what a "real" Indian victory will really be like.

 

[safriz]

LOL .... This is how arrogant psychopathic loser Koum twist their act of mass "rape and murder" as "apocalyptic humanitarian disaster" and subsequent "shame and defeat with 93K terrorists surrendered" as "after Pakistan left"

A country's army in their own country are not classed as terrorists.
At the time Bangladesh was east Pakistan and Mukti Bahini were insurgents/ terrorist and Pakistan army fighting against terrorism.

If I go by your analogy then Indian army in Occupied Kashmir cam also be classed as "Terrorist?".
Also your paramilitary fighting in Manipur Assam and other areas are also "Terrorist"?.

 

[safriz]

Funny how you completely forgot to mention the general elections in 1970, the infringment of democracy and the subsequent genocide that followed right after.

Regardless of all the reasons you gave, ultimately, you decided to surrender to the Indian Army. Funny quirk of fate that is, considering it wasn't an Indian victory.

If that wasn't an Indian victory, then one can imagine what a "real" Indian victory will really be like.

Lol...
After an apocalyptic typhoon every country in the world imposes emergency and suspends many basic laws and rights. And here you are crying about "democracy".
But you are not alone. The Bengali stupidity was no different . Instead of letting the soldiers continue the rescue efforts and save those in need, the Bengali politicians were hungry of power and with Indian help created an insurgency which disrupted the rescue efforts of Pakistan army.

And no, it wasn't Indian victory. After 1/3rd of East Pakistan now Bangladesh came under world's biggest storm surge , and the rest got barttered by winds and floods due to rain. The Pakistan army couldn't have fought any war anyway.
And I cannot post pictures of the so called "genocide" as Google won't like it and website risks losing ad revenue ... But the so called genocide pics are pictures of those died during the Storm . The clue is that they don't have wounds abs bodies lying in a line near mud or river , as if dumped by receding water, and that was the case.
The pictures of natural disaster deaths were shown to people to provoke them against Pakistan army. Dirty tricks of Indians

Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999

You are free to believe what you want, so carry on

 

[safriz]

Meanwhile this is a good read and relevant to the thread.
India Is Turning To Israel After Its Russian-Made Missiles Turned Into Duds

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

I wonder which eninch left his "Chaddi" which at display in PAF museum?

Few pages back when I asked you how does it felt to wash his chaddi it was a sarcastic comment, trust me it won't make you brave. Stop getting obsessed with our underwear bhai, text us your address we will send you new, unused ones.

 

[safriz]

Few pages back when I asked you how does it felt to wash his chaddi it was a sarcastic comment, trust me it won't make you brave. Stop getting obsessed with our underwear bhai, text us your address we will send you new, unused ones.

That's fine. No probs......

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

You are free to believe what you want, so carry on

Does All this Endless Falsehoods AND
Endless Nonsense Gives you Pleasure
OR Reduces your Pain

 

[safriz]

Does All this Endless Falsehoods AND
Endless Nonsense Gives you Pleasure
OR Reduces your Pain

To be honest , ISPR gives a damn about how much I defend them or Pakistan army.
Likewise General Bipin or BS Dhona doesn't give two hoots about who you are and how much you defend them.
So there's nothing personal here and nothing too serious.
I write my version of "facts" , you write what you think is true.
That's how any discussion progresses.
After all it's Just an internet discussion , which everyone should enjoy.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

To be honest , ISPR gives a damn about how much I defend them or Pakistan army.
Likewise General Bipin or BS Dhona doesn't give two hoots about who you are and how much you defend them.
So there's nothing personal here and nothing too serious.
I write my version of "facts" , you write what you think is true.
That's how any discussion progresses.
After all it's Just an internet discussion , which everyone should enjoy.

The fact is that Professionals from both sides know what happened and where they stand

What you indulge in is Story telling

It is for your own personal perverted sense
Of Satisfaction

We Indians are least impressed by your "Skills " in conjuring up BAD FICTION

 

[safriz]

The fact is that Professionals from both sides know what happened and where they stand

What you indulge in is Story telling

It is for your own personal perverted sense
Of Satisfaction

We Indians are least impressed by your "Skills " in conjuring up BAD FICTION

I am not sure which comments of mine you are referring to?
But if it's about my recent comments about 1971 ?
Then it's not story telling as we had lands in Chittagong since 1940s and had family over there. Family members were in the Pakistan army.
It's not appropriate to go into personal details as that will be mute . This is internet and anyone can claim anything , myself included.
But We actually saw the entire 1971 saga from beginning to the end and lost too much .


However you or the Indians are not to be blamed for believing what you believe.

As they say..... Politicians create the wars, soldiers fight the war . Soldiers lose lives and limbs . Politicians stay safe and they rule.

Similar story back then.
At the time Pakistan had American style "Electoral college" type presidential system of government in the legislature.

West Pakistan had most of the electoral colleges.
Although Sheikh Mujeeb won more votes than Zulfiqar Bhutto , he didn't win more electoral colleges than Bhutto and by the legislature of that time Bhutto was victorious.
Same as Hillary Clinton Vs Donald trump.
Hillary got higher number of votes but Trump won more electoral colleges.
Sheikh Mujeeb didn't accept that and went all the way to cause the breakage of Pakistan.
Bhutto didn't care. He just wanted to be the president of Pakistan any which way.
Both Bhutto and Mujeeb got what they wanted. Power and government, but at the cost of destroying countless families . Ours included.
But then "what goes round , comes round" .
Mujebb could only rule for less than 4 years and got assassinated by own people in 1975.
Likewise Bhutto was hanged in April 1979 and nobody cared. There were no mass protests.
The third person involved in this unnecessary bloodbath , Indra Gandhi also didn't end too well. She too was shot dead by own soldiers. Her son blown to pieces by own country women.

So there you go.

 

[Milspec]

I am not sure which comments of mine you are referring to?
But if it's about my recent comments about 1971 ?
Then it's not story telling as we had lands in Chittagong since 1940s and had family over there. Family members were in the Pakistan army.
It's not appropriate to go into personal details as that will be mute . This is internet and anyone can claim anything , myself included.
But We actually saw the entire 1971 saga from beginning to the end and lost too much .


However you or the Indians are not to be blamed for believing what you believe.

As they say..... Politicians create the wars, soldiers fight the war . Soldiers lose lives and limbs . Politicians stay safe and they rule.

Similar story back then.
At the time Pakistan had American style "Electoral college" type presidential system of government in the legislature.

West Pakistan had most of the electoral colleges.
Although Sheikh Mujeeb won more votes than Zulfiqar Bhutto , he didn't win more electoral colleges than Bhutto and by the legislature of that time Bhutto was victorious.
Same as Hillary Clinton Vs Donald trump.
Hillary got higher number of votes but Trump won more electoral colleges.
Sheikh Mujeeb didn't accept that and went all the way to cause the breakage of Pakistan.
Bhutto didn't care. He just wanted to be the president of Pakistan any which way.
Both Bhutto and Mujeeb got what they wanted. Power and government, but at the cost of destroying countless families . Ours included.
But then "what goes round , comes round" .
Mujebb could only rule for less than 4 years and got assassinated by own people in 1975.
Likewise Bhutto was hanged in April 1979 and nobody cared. There were no mass protests.
The third person involved in this unnecessary bloodbath , Indra Gandhi also didn't end too well. She too was shot dead by own soldiers. Her son blown to pieces by own country women.

So there you go.

AS I SAID:
Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999

 

[rockstarIN]

Playing the same old 50 year old broken record of 1971?
That wasn't Indian victory at all.
There was the world's largest cyclone called Bhola cyclone in November 1970. That destroyed all infrastructure .
From then to March 1971 Bangali people got desperate due to spread of diseases and food shortages.
Then came Indian propaganda, which wasn't even Indian, but arranged by KGB , in which india blamed the natural disaster on Pakistan and Pakistan army and the stupid Bangla babu believed it.
From March to October the Mukti bahini insurgency happened, further complicated by political tussle between Mujib and Bhutto, both of whom claimed victory in elections.
Also in March 1971 Bhutto lured Mujeeb to Islamabad, had him arrested and locked up in Mianwali prison

In October 1971 Captain Zia , later General and president of BD , captured Chittagong radio and announced freedom. That had snowball effect and BD police and paramilitary who until that time were with Pakistan army, rebelled and from there onwards it was game over already.
India only came in November , and couldn't do anything to west Pakistan despite trying . Instead lost many planes and ships to Pakistan.
East Pakistan was already gone and India just took an already available opportunity for point scoring.
Not a victory , just opportunism.
Sheikh Mujeeb who is called the "Founder of Bangladesh " want even in Bangladesh from March 1971 to January 1972 when he was sent to London by Bhutto under an agreement with India brokered by the British , and from there he went to kiss Indra's hands and onwards to Dhaka and straight away became "Father of the nation".

About being enunch... I wonder which eninch left his "Chaddi" which at display in PAF museum?

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Check with your then DG ISPR - who is now getting treated somewhere!

Doosra banda, have nay reply for this?

 

[randomradio]

Lol...
After an apocalyptic typhoon every country in the world imposes emergency and suspends many basic laws and rights. And here you are crying about "democracy".

Wah, bhai. Which country on Earth declares national emergency 2 months after a natural disaster strikes?

Instead of letting the soldiers continue the rescue efforts and save those in need, the Bengali politicians were hungry of power and with Indian help created an insurgency which disrupted the rescue efforts of Pakistan army.

The Pakistani history textbook must be uinque.

And no, it wasn't Indian victory. After 1/3rd of East Pakistan now Bangladesh came under world's biggest storm surge , and the rest got barttered by winds and floods due to rain.

I suppose Allah decided Pakistan should lose. IA simply helped. A more convenient story.

And I cannot post pictures of the so called "genocide" as Google won't like it and website risks losing ad revenue ... But the so called genocide pics are pictures of those died during the Storm . The clue is that they don't have wounds abs bodies lying in a line near mud or river , as if dumped by receding water, and that was the case.
The pictures of natural disaster deaths were shown to people to provoke them against Pakistan army. Dirty tricks of Indians

Oh yeah, cyclone was killing all the way in Sylhet even after 6 months.

Meanwhile this is a good read and relevant to the thread.
India Is Turning To Israel After Its Russian-Made Missiles Turned Into Duds

Yep. Let's forget the fact that we had chosen ASRAAM + I-Derby combo to replace the R-73 and R-77 back in 2016-17.

Why don't they say even Rafale was bought because of Balakot? Maybe even LCA Mk1A. Then at least they will stop saying LCA is a 40-year project.

 

[Jaymax]

Why don't they say even Rafale was bought because of Balakot? Maybe even LCA Mk1A. Then at least they will stop saying LCA is a 40-year project.

Like Congress, Pakistan is trying its level best to score a moral victory here.
War is a means to secure objectives.

In 65, their objective was to press India while their infiltrators caused an uprising in Kashmir. - Result - FAIL
In 71, Defense of the east is in the west - Result - Rehne do.. Jalegi inki
In 99, Cut off key roads by dominating heights. - Result - Lost war. Humilated in Washington. Coup.

 

[randomradio]

Like Congress, Pakistan is trying its level best to score a moral victory here.

I'm afraid PA has no idea what the word "moral" means.