Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

[Ashwin]

Success is a b@sta@rd & failure is an orphan, for seven long years it was Nirbhay, suddenly it became TD in 2021. U need common sense to learn this.

So it never tested for 1500 km yet?

If 1000km is the project requirement why are you asking for more?

You are again showing lack of comprehension ability. Did I say the project is success ?. They choose to go for all indian subsystems instead of completing the project with imported systems.

 

[Chain Smoker]

Success is a b@sta@rd & failure is an orphan, for seven long years it was Nirbhay, suddenly it became TD in 2021. U need common sense to learn this.

So it never tested for 1500 km yet?

Actually this TD gimmick is nothing but an excuse to get the funds. ITCM is an TD to test the indigenous engine and sensors but it doesn't mean it cannot be inducted in current form.

 

[Sathya]

Any pic of today a trial?

Any changes in missile design?

How could I forget..

Following Nirbhay / ITCM would be scalp like missile seen with Mk2 model in aero india

 

[Hydra]

You are again showing lack of comprehension ability. Did I say the project is success ?. They choose to go for all indian subsystems instead of completing the project with imported systems.

You didn't, did i saod that you said like that? What i am saying is Nirbhay wasn't a TD project initially, since they didn't successful in creating it, they started calling it a TD.

Actually this TD gimmick is nothing but an excuse to get the funds. ITCM is an TD to test the indigenous engine and sensors but it doesn't mean it cannot be inducted in current form.

Ask yourself, since when we started calling it TD? From 2014 to 21 it was Nirbhay, after 4 complete failure out of 7 test, they started giving new concept on that project.

 

[Chain Smoker]

You didn't, did i saod that you said like that? What i am saying is Nirbhay wasn't a TD project initially, since they didn't successful in creating it, they started calling it a TD.

Ask yourself, since when we started calling it TD? From 2014 to 21 it was Nirbhay, after 4 complete failure out of 7 test, they started giving new concept on that project.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628012463110361089

 

[Hydra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628012463110361089

For DRDO everything is successful, dont beleive those liars.

 

[Chain Smoker]

For DRDO everything is successful, dont beleive those liars.

Ok so we should believe on exfarts like you.

 

[Hydra]

Ok so we should believe on exfarts like you.

Exfart or expert or normal, what matters is you using your brain or what. go and fetch old reports of testing. And if you still believing the d!ck head report, sorry i cannot help it.

 

[vikata]

@randomradio

Why we are struggling with the Cruise missile whereas Pakistan has succeeded in ALCM
And secondly how are they doing fairly well in sectors like cruise missiles , ballistic missile,tank ,small arms etc despite lacking proper iron and steel Industry , automobile, electronic ,and institution like IIT,iisc,drdo ,forging etc

Does they have proper metallurgy industry ,I mean we despite having fairly well developed iron and steel industry only now have started producing warships grade steel and steel lack fairly in many types of steel ....

So how does they have managed to have some sort of parity in missile sector with India despite so many glaring Gap

 

[Hydra]

@randomradio

Why we are struggling with the Cruise missile whereas Pakistan has succeeded in ALCM
And secondly how are they doing fairly well in sectors like cruise missiles , ballistic missile,tank ,small arms etc despite lacking proper iron and steel Industry , automobile, electronic ,and institution like IIT,iisc,drdo ,forging etc

Does they have proper metallurgy industry ,I mean we despite having fairly well developed iron and steel industry only now have started producing warships grade steel and steel lack fairly in many types of steel ....

So how does they have managed to have some sort of parity in missile sector with India despite so many glaring Gap

Because they dont hesitant in taking foreign help. Most of their so called home products are Chinese design.

 

[Rajput Lion]

@randomradio

Why we are struggling with the Cruise missile whereas Pakistan has succeeded in ALCM
And secondly how are they doing fairly well in sectors like cruise missiles , ballistic missile,tank ,small arms etc despite lacking proper iron and steel Industry , automobile, electronic ,and institution like IIT,iisc,drdo ,forging etc

Does they have proper metallurgy industry ,I mean we despite having fairly well developed iron and steel industry only now have started producing warships grade steel and steel lack fairly in many types of steel ....

So how does they have managed to have some sort of parity in missile sector with India despite so many glaring Gap

Developing something from scratch takes time, money and tests our patience. Slowly but surely all our critical projects are witnessing a breakthrough.

We have leap-frogged Pakistanis in every way. Even comparing our great country with a failed terrorist state like Pak is not good, IMO.

 

[marich01]

Actually this TD gimmick is nothing but an excuse to get the funds. ITCM is an TD to test the indigenous engine and sensors but it doesn't mean it cannot be inducted in current form.

TD actually has always been part of the DRDO (or any other scientific research oriented org) working methodology. This is part of your standard operating procedure (SOP). To develop a new futuristic technology and product, first you need to develop your technological capability and your countries industrial capability need to have a certain technology readiness level. That only happens when there is coherent involvement & joint work between your academia & research/applied science. Otherwise what happens, you develop a certain technology, but there is no industry taker within your country, so a foreign company comes offers you money & buy that patent+all rights of application.

This is from an old DRDO presentation from 2015, since then a little bit restructuring have happened but general idea is the same.

Link: http://www.iim-delhi.com/upload_events/DRDO_Presentation.pdf

 

[RASALGHUL]

Why we are struggling with the Cruise missile whereas Pakistan has succeeded in ALCM

This might help.

 

[marich01]

Re pakistan, you have to consider that they are eating off both usa and china hands, two nations that currently at geopolitical crossheads. It also has backing of middle east & keeps relation open with Iran and afghan despite border clash. All this happen because everybody finds a use off them & they are willing to provide one at the expense of their awam.

There is every good chance that like the nuclear tech, the western coalition let them have it, possibly together with china.

 

[randomradio]

@randomradio

Why we are struggling with the Cruise missile whereas Pakistan has succeeded in ALCM
And secondly how are they doing fairly well in sectors like cruise missiles , ballistic missile,tank ,small arms etc despite lacking proper iron and steel Industry , automobile, electronic ,and institution like IIT,iisc,drdo ,forging etc

Does they have proper metallurgy industry ,I mean we despite having fairly well developed iron and steel industry only now have started producing warships grade steel and steel lack fairly in many types of steel ....

So how does they have managed to have some sort of parity in missile sector with India despite so many glaring Gap

We are dealing with problems similar to what the Americans have been facing with the F-35. A lot of it has to do with software. There were some design issues and manufacturing defects too, but those seem to have been resolved.

The Pakistanis do not have parity with India when it comes to missiles, they are many generations behind. But when it comes to CMs, they have found some success at the low to mid end. It's definitely to their credit that they have something to show for it, unlike us. It's unclear if they have received help in this sector, but considering multiple successes across many countries in this area, it's not surprising if they have managed it on their own. All I can say is DRDO needs to pick up the slack and fix things on their end.

Anyway success is relative. What the Pakistanis consider a success may not be what India would consider a success. While they have seen successes in some areas, it doesn't mean the same stuff will pass muster in India.

 

[Bali78]

@randomradio

Why we are struggling with the Cruise missile whereas Pakistan has succeeded in ALCM
And secondly how are they doing fairly well in sectors like cruise missiles , ballistic missile,tank ,small arms etc despite lacking proper iron and steel Industry , automobile, electronic ,and institution like IIT,iisc,drdo ,forging etc

Does they have proper metallurgy industry ,I mean we despite having fairly well developed iron and steel industry only now have started producing warships grade steel and steel lack fairly in many types of steel ....

So how does they have managed to have some sort of parity in missile sector with India despite so many glaring Gap

Because it’s a paint job.

 

[_Anonymous_]

If anybody here believes Ganja that Paxtan had reverse engineered a Tomahawk CM building up it's own portfolio of CMs in this fashion, I've a bridge to sell them.

Have we forgotten how China grandfathered the entire unholy Nexus between DPRK & Paxtan where the former exchanged blueprints of CMs & BMs with the latter for designs of the N bomb both of which were of Chinese origin.

Weren't US sources reporting how Benazir Bhutto took A Q Khan with her during her state visit to DPRK where this exchange happened in the mid to late 90's ? Doesn't every CM & BM of Paxtan have a counterpart in DPRKs arsenal & till not so long ago in Chinese arsenal too ?

 

[Chain Smoker]

If anybody here believes Ganja that Paxtan had reverse engineered a Tomahawk CM building up it's own portfolio of CMs in this fashion, I've a bridge to sell them.

Have we forgotten how China grandfathered the entire unholy Nexus between DPRK & Paxtan where the former exchanged blueprints of CMs & BMs with the latter for designs of the N bomb both of which were of Chinese origin.

Weren't US sources reporting how Benazir Bhutto took A Q Khan with her during her state visit to DPRK where this exchange happened in the mid to late 90's ? Doesn't every CM & BM of Paxtan have a counterpart in DPRKs arsenal & till not so long ago in Chinese arsenal too ?

Pakistan & north Korea are two proxies of bat munchers that are being used as a distraction.

 

[randomradio]

Because it’s a paint job.

Not necessarily. They have had this level of tech for sometime. I'd say there was definitely foreign input in certain areas, like South Africa and/or Turkey, but there's quite a bit of their input too. It's 'cause there are not enough countries around that will be willing to break the MTCR rules even if they are not a signatory to it.

And just 'cause we have seen significant failure in this area doesn't mean others will fail too. It's 70s era tech after all.

Technology derived from Ra'ad was likely used to create the Babur.

 

[Rajput Lion]

If anybody here believes Ganja that Paxtan had reverse engineered a Tomahawk CM building up it's own portfolio of CMs in this fashion, I've a bridge to sell them.

Congrats, you already have a ready-made customer here for that bridge and Ganja both. Guess who: of course the paragon of stupidity, hatred of India and of reverse intelligence: @Hydra

Have we forgotten how China grandfathered the entire unholy Nexus between DPRK & Paxtan where the former exchanged blueprints of CMs & BMs with the latter for designs of the N bomb both of which were of Chinese origin.

Weren't US sources reporting how Benazir Bhutto took A Q Khan with her during her state visit to DPRK where this exchange happened in the mid to late 90's ? Doesn't every CM & BM of Paxtan have a counterpart in DPRKs arsenal & till not so long ago in Chinese arsenal too ?

Not only North Korea, A Q Khan also went to Netherlands and got critical nuke tech. The Dutch knew everything but still betrayed India.

On the other hand thankfully, we have our Dr. Bhaba, Dr. Sarabhai and Dr. Kalam along with plethora of other super talented scientists to do the job in-house.

Any comparison of this shitty state of Pak with our nation is just bloody sickening, IMO.