Brahmos Supersonic Cruise Missile : News, Updates and Discussions

_Anonymous_ said:
If it touches speeds of upto Mach -5 , how's it hypersonic ? IMO we're simply getting carried away . Our hypersonic program is proceeding on track . We haven't reached there yet though we'd get there by the end of the decade if not before.

When the CMD Brahmos himself has gone on record during AI-23 , stating we'd take 7 yrs from date to develop a hypersonic version plus we've it from fairly reliable sources the Russians would share Zircon technology after 2027 , where did this hypersonic missile come from ?
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As far as I am concerned the only interesting point was the idea of using magnetometers to detect aero objects , that in my opinion is doable , in near future to come up with a mil grade sol to passively detect aerial objects including stealthy ones

It seems use of magnetometers is the next big thing in military eg for navigation especially by vehicles moving at hypersonic speeds, and as I mentioned previously in my tweets in detecting submerged submarines etc

As for hypersonic or not that's a tall ask for a civilian system not designed to serve that purpose and it's obvious there will be glaring errors given the distances involved and the type of magnetometer themselves being used
 
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Why ? What's the connection ?
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Brahmos. You want to be able to make it completely in house without waiting for any components from Russia to arrive. You are putting it everywhere: Land, Air, Ship and Subs. You don't want to be in a situation where your are waiting to supply arms to navy but you do not have seeker from Russia because of component shortage there or Zelinski finally did what he has been warning about; blowing up some critical infra using MLRS.
 
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hellbent said:
As far as I am concerned the only interesting point was the idea of using magnetometers to detect aero objects , that in my opinion is doable , in near future to come up with a mil grade sol to passively detect aerial objects including stealthy ones

It seems use of magnetometers is the next big thing in military eg for navigation especially by vehicles moving at hypersonic speeds, and as I mentioned previously in my tweets in detecting submerged submarines etc

As for hypersonic or not that's a tall ask for a civilian system not designed to serve that purpose and it's obvious there will be errors given the distances involved and the type of magnetometer themselves being used
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More than that I'm wondering how does a civilian sitting in Texas get his hands on this kind of information. How do you think he came across it ?
 
Saaho said:
Brahmos. You want to be able to make it completely in house without waiting for any components from Russia to arrive. You are putting it everywhere: Land, Air, Ship and Subs.
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They'd have ro strike a balance between meeting their needs & earning Forex. Alternatively India squeezes them to get rid of those unnecessary clauses & indigenize everything & sweeten the deal by paying them a royalty.
 
And IMO speed is not the end all , it's just one of the factors that will contribute to a kill but will not be the only factor , other parameters equally important if some of them even more

What we need is a robust and redundant kill chain with integrated OODA elements with every relevant weapon system
 
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They'd have ro strike a balance between meeting their needs & earning Forex. Alternatively India squeezes them to get rid of those unnecessary clauses & indigenize everything & sweeten the deal by paying them a royalty.
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Its not a question of just rights and license, but a question of Russian being able to keep its promises to deliver components. If the war in Europe goes dire, that will be compromised. So we need to prioritize replacement for those parts.
 
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More than that I'm wondering how does a civilian sitting in Texas get his hands on this kind of information. How do you think he came across it ?
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Civilian data , from Indian observatories working on mapping of geomagnetic fields etc , available to anyone

He was smart and knowledgeable enough to connect the geomagnetic anomaly at the given location and time with the test fire of brahmos / aerial object
 
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Saaho said:
Its not a question of just rights and license, but a question of Russian being able to keep its promises to deliver components. If the war in Europe goes dire, that will be compromised. So we need to prioritize replacement for those parts.
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If they have their compulsions ,we can say sorry , so do we . At the end of the day it's business & very serious business - that of national security plus if we can't squeeze them now , we'd never be able to do so .
 
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More than that I'm wondering how does a civilian sitting in Texas get his hands on this kind of information. How do you think he came across it ?
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Right knowledge... A certain scientist was able to estimate yield of bomb by a bunch of falling papers. Fermi estimation.
 
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hellbent said:
Civilian data , from Indian observatories working on geo magnetisation, available to anyone

He was smart and knowledgeable enough to connect the geomagnetic anomaly at the given location and time with the test fire of brahmos / aerial object
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If that's the case I'm wondering about the kind of information China & the US have about our missile arsenal & we of theirs or at least of China .
 
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If that's the case I'm wondering about the kind of information China & the US have about our missile arsenal & we of theirs or at least of China .
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There are lots of smart people in every nation. How do you think we managed to figure a way fool US spy sats after failing once? I doubt we had a lot of details about Lacrosse system in 90s.

Its called order of magnitude problems. You can rule out lots of impossible things by asking those questions.
 
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If that's the case I'm wondering about the kind of information China & the US have about our missile arsenal & we of theirs or at least of China .
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Civilian open sourced data will set you on the path / alert you , but from then onwards for actionable data/info one will need to put in lot of work

Not that easy or simple, or maybe it is, I guess will depend on case to case basis

Eg raw was alerted to pork refining plutonium by analysing samples of hair from barber shops close to the suspected plant , initially they must have gotten a hint somewhere and then they worked on it and settled on analysis of the hair of the workers at the facility, as hairs absorbs the trace elements
 
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hellbent said:
Eg raw was alerted to pork refining plutonium by analysing samples of hair from barber shops close to the suspected plant , initially they must have gotten a hint somewhere and then they worked on it and settled on analysis of the hair of the workers at the facility
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Well, heavy metals do accumulate in hair. Mercury testing is done that way. Plutonium and other daughters of fission can be REALLY hot. So... grab those hair?

Sometimes, you just throw a lot of crap and see what sticks.

I am sure ISI, MI6, CIA and MSS have their own stories to tell.
 
Another thing which is lesser known is many years ago some guys were intrigued by the importation of large no of kidney stone breaking machines by porks

Than they realised the pork madrassa scientists were even unable to design and build spark gap triggers for their so called 'indigenous' nukes, I am guessing the Chinese did not hand over the designs of the same, which is surprising given that spark gap triggers are WW2 stuff literally

So they decided to buy the kidney stone breaking machines and used the high voltage triggers from the same to trigger their 'indegenous' nukes

Well at the end they were found out and west cut them off , most probably Chinese must have given them the design/manufacturing know how at the end

Indian nuke of 1970s was using EBW same as USA then
Now definitely ceramic/PCB based or a small chance already using laser based equivalent which is the most safest and reliable type known
 
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hellbent said:
Another thing which is lesser known is many years ago some guys were intrigued by the importation of large no of kidney stone breaking machines by porks

Than they realised the pork madrassa scientists were even unable to design and build spark gap triggers for their so called indigenous nukes, I am guessing the Chinese did not hand over the designs of the same, which is surprising given that spark gap triggers are WW2 stuff literally

So they decided to buy the kidney stone breaking machines and used the high voltage triggers from the same to power their 'indegenous' nukes
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LOL!

There are stories or rumors of Iran or some country importing Playstation 2 console to salvage its "emotion engine" chip for missile guidance.

And then there is this story of Kodak accidentally exposing American Nuclear Testing :
 
Well since the storm in a teacup subsided, small brahmos stuff from an old lrde prep.

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