British/Italian Tempest (GCAP) Fighter : News and Discussion

Trilateral Tempest Expands Industrial Base
Tony Osborne July 23, 2020
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Trilateral studies to develop the Tempest are underway as year-end business case submission deadlines loom.
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Ninety percent of Britain’s front-line combat aircraft are crewed, but British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace says he expects a “major reversal” of these proportions by 2040.
Wallace’s speech at the opening of a virtual Farnborough Airshow on July 20—a message reminiscent of the late Duncan Sandys’ 1957 defense white paper that declared the manned fighter redundant and guided and ballistic missiles to be the future of Britain’s defense—may hint at a radically altered Royal Air Force (RAF) with heavy fielding of swarming UAVs and other additive capabilities such as “loyal wingmen” dominating fleets. But Wallace’s comments also touched on the trajectory for the UK-led Tempest Future Combat Air System (FCAS), which is targeted to begin to replace the UK’s fleet of Eurofighter Typhoons from 2035.
Air Chief Marshal Mike Wigston, chief of the Air Staff, said at the RAF’s annual air power conference on July 15 that he intended any FCAS to be optionally manned. Sandys’ defense plan sent reverberations through the UK aerospace industry, but the vision for the Tempest calls for a similar fundamental revolution.
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  • Technologies are being matured to support year-end business case submission
BAE Systems says its factory of the future will subsume the need for heavy, fixed and long-lead tooling—halving production time compared with previous programs. And industry is looking to new players for cybersecurity technology from the banking world and materials technology from the automotive sector, companies from outside the typical defense industrial base.
Two years since the announcement of Team Tempest—the industry consortium of BAE Systems, Leonardo, MBDA, Rolls-Royce and the British government’s Combat Air Strategy that coalesced at the 2018 Farnborough Airshow—the group is growing for the first time, with the inclusion of Bombardier UK, Collins Aerospace, GE UK, GKN, Martin-Baker, Qinetiq and Thales UK. The additions to the team come in the form of a first wave of industrial agreements, with BAE hinting that more industrial partners will follow. Of the new partners, Collins announced it had been contracted by BAE to provide advanced actuation capabilities.
Sweden’s Saab announced also on July 20 that it is investing £50 million ($58 million) into the creation of an FCAS center in the UK. The facility will serve as a hub for the company’s participation in the FCAS and represent Stockholm’s first tentative steps into the venture. Saab does not name the Tempest specifically, with CEO Micael Johansson hinting that Sweden’s involvement is focused more on the technology rather than the future platform. “Saab’s FCAS strategy ensures that the technology is in place to support a long-term future air capability and also to support continuous upgrades of Gripen E for decades to come,” Johansson said.
While the international partnership model for the Tempest has yet to be finalized, British officials have suggested that the partnerships could be agile and scalable. In other words, allowing nations to “partner in a way that suits them,” Richard Berthon, the UK Defense Ministry’s Combat Air acquisition program director, previously told Aviation Week (AW&ST July 13-26, p. 52).
Johannsson said nations looking to refresh their fleets with the current generation of fighters, like the Gripen or Typhoon, should not be concerned about the push to deliver the Tempest during the 2030s. “A strong joint partnership around a future combat air system will also guarantee Gripen and Eurofighter access to new technologies,” Johannsson said. Existing customers, he said, should see the FCAS as a “seal of approval as we safeguard continuous fighter development.”
Until now, the work between the national partners had been on a bilateral basis. The aim was “to define our common objectives,” BAE Systems CEO Charles Woodburn says. But this work has now extended into trilateral studies that include “assessing how we can start to realize the huge potential for collaboration across our three nations,” Woodburn says.
Although the talks are now trilateral in nature, the UK says it is still keen to see more international partners “join our flightpath to discovery,” Wallace adds.
Industry is already beginning to think trilaterally, with GKN Aerospace in Sweden confirming it will work with Rolls-Royce in the UK and Avio Aero in Italy on feasibility studies for a future fighter jet engine. GKN states it was contracted in the first quarter of 2020 by Sweden’s defense materiel agency, FMV, to conduct a study in collaboration with Rolls-Royce.
Few details have emerged on the 60 technology demonstration programs currently being developed and matured by Team Tempest in support of the UK Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative (FCAS TI). Michael Christie, BAE’s head of Future Combat Air Systems, says work on maturing the technologies ready to support the business case submission to the British government at the end of this year has seen the partners “at least achieve or exceed” the maturity targets set, doing so “at great pace” and providing “fundamental evidence to the business case.”
 

We need to be realistic. For a country which is struggled alot and still struggling to develop a gen 4-4.5 fighter, developing a sixth gen fighter will be a herculean task or mostly an impossible task. Better we should start collaborating with Britishers.
 
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BAE Systems has revealed images of the UK’s Tempest future combat aircraft undergoing windtunnel testing at its Warton site in Lancashire earlier this year.


BAE identifies the Tempest platform’s battery, power and energy management characteristics as key to supporting the use of future technologies such as laser directed-energy weapons. “There’s a huge requirement to dissipate heat”, the company notes, describing onboard power requirements as “comparable to a Boeing 787”.

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“This strategic partnership is about developing market ready applications for Reaction Engines’ technology in next generation engines and is a significant step forward for our technology commercialisation plans,” said Mark Thomas, Chief Executive of Reaction Engines. Our proprietary heat exchanger technology delivers incredible heat transfer capabilities at extremely low weight and a compact size. We look forward to expanding our international collaboration with Rolls-Royce, a global leader in power systems, to bring to market a range of applications that will transform the performance and efficiency of aircraft engines, enable high speed – supersonic and hypersonic – flight and support the drive towards more sustainable aviation through innovative new technologies.”

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Reaction Engines Ltd and Rolls-Royce plc today announced a new strategic partnership agreement to develop high-speed aircraft propulsion systems and explore applications for Reaction Engines’ thermal management technology within civil and defence aerospace gas turbine engines and hybrid-electric systems.

“This strategic partnership is about developing market ready applications for Reaction Engines’ technology in next generation engines and is a significant step forward for our technology commercialisation plans,” said Mark Thomas, Chief Executive of Reaction Engines. Our proprietary heat exchanger technology delivers incredible heat transfer capabilities at extremely low weight and a compact size. We look forward to expanding our international collaboration with Rolls-Royce, a global leader in power systems, to bring to market a range of applications that will transform the performance and efficiency of aircraft engines, enable high speed – supersonic and hypersonic – flight and support the drive towards more sustainable aviation through innovative new technologies.”

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Is this going into the Tempest?
 

We need to be realistic. For a country which is struggled alot and still struggling to develop a gen 4-4.5 fighter, developing a sixth gen fighter will be a herculean task or mostly an impossible task. Better we should start collaborating with Britishers.

What you're basically saying is we should stop our own R&D and simply import.
 
What you're basically saying is we should stop our own R&D and simply import.
If you are incapable to do by yourself, better to collaborate with others and develop the capability by yourself. Our radar & SAM technology is developed like that.
I have zero faith on ADA on development of 5/6th gen fighter in-house.
 
If you are incapable to do by yourself, better to collaborate with others and develop the capability by yourself. Our radar & SAM technology is developed like that.
I have zero faith on ADA on development of 5/6th gen fighter in-house.

The IAF would disagree with you, since they have decided to entirely put their trust in the ADA instead of following through with the FGFA program.
 
The IAF would disagree with you, since they have decided to entirely put their trust in the ADA instead of following through with the FGFA program.

They have done so because they know
ADA , HAL et all , cannot deliver

If MK 1A is taking so long , Forget about AMCA
 
What's LCA got to do with AMCA?

LCH? I think you should look it up.
LCA mk2 has something to do with AMCA. Between tempest & amca is not in same league too. I hope Tempest will fly much ahead of final version of AMCA.
You can be a nationalist and you can be an anti US, but that should not blind your ability to see things.

Better you have to look in to the lch matters, no ammunition to fight modern warfare.
 
They have done so because they know
ADA , HAL et all , cannot deliver

That would make sense if they have a backup. They don't. If AMCA fails, the only option left is an import, not a JV or another R&D program.

If MK 1A is taking so long , Forget about AMCA

Mk1A is taking the right amount of time. It was cleared in 2015, configuration was finalised in 2018, ready for contract in 2019, renegotiation took an extra year, still fine. So it's ready to enter production now. And 3 years to begin deliveries. Pretty normal. It took "time" because it was awaiting FOC clearance for Mk1, which was held up due to minor problems that only time could fix, and that came in 2019. Hence the contract was ready for signature only at end 2019. So the reasons were not technical, only bureaucratic.
 
I dont wanna waste my energy on a person who lives on shear hatred on wester countries fo no reason, and a person.

Western countries? I'd like to buy 200 Rafales and I'd like all those Rafales to be equipped with British made Meteors, Brimstones, SPEARs and ASRAAMs, not French weapons of the same class. And I'd like us to buy 1000 Apaches from the US, along with 500 M777s, let's not forget another 20-30 C-17s and C-130Js. I don't mind us buying the Swedish A26 submarine as well instead of Russian or Japanese, although that's out of the picture now. And I'd definitely like to see the IA getting 2 squadrons of Combat Hawk. I'd definitely want India to join America's FVL program for the next generation attack helicopter and the FARA program. I'd like to see the IN purchasing more Romeos from America and producing them in India. And also the Panther from Europe for NUH. I'd like to see German air defence guns for both IA and IAF. So is that western enough for you? I'd actually prefer that all weapons we import from here on out should be from the US or Western Europe and none from Russia.

But all I'm asking you is how LCA Mk2 is related to AMCA and why AMCA and Tempest are not in the same league. I don't know why you would have issues answering these questions since you seem to have made up your mind regarding these.

And I'd also like to know how ADA is related to LCH. Some sort of link if possible.
 
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