Dassault Rafale - Updates and Discussion

Tatvamasi said:
Its "Alleged" by french police you idiot. Any state can frame such thing to stifle freedom of speech. That how they try to get backdoor to the platform.

Didn't you African colonizers lump Putin in with the same brush when he jailed dissidents?


Nice try. None of the charges are even comparable to terrorism or abetting insurgency.


And french are not above criticism. When your state try to stifle bend over and take the beating. We will call out any attack on FoE.

Honestly its easy to assume french surrenders eventually. Thus everyone fell for the ruse.
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Telegram: behind the scenes of the Pavel Dourov affair, the man who hid too much​

(Libération 30.08 - paywall)

(…) The French justice system mainly blames Pavel Durov for not having responded to the authorities’ multiple requests for serious crimes. He is flabbergasted, or pretends to be. His close friends in Dubai are digging up responses made by Telegram in cases of terrorism or pedophilia. (…)

(…) [until now] Macron has acted as if there had been no warning in the police and judicial spheres. However, as early as 2016, when he was still at Bercy [Ministry of the Economy], his colleague [at the Ministry of the Interior], Bernard Cazeneuve, deplored the fact that “States have no interlocutor” with Telegram.

Under pressure following the 2015 attacks, after making odious comments against France, Durov had to water down his libertarian wine a little, at least publicly: in February 2016, the service announced that it had closed 78 channels used by jihadist groups.

Telegram nevertheless remains, by far, the most resistant of all platforms to the demands of the authorities. Much more than its security – highly questionable, since with the exception of “secret discussions”, encrypted from end to end, everything else is accessible to Telegram administrators – it is this promise of non-cooperation that makes the platform so attractive to all those who want to stay under the radar. Including criminals.

“We’ve had Telegram in our sights for ten years,” complains a [police] officer specializing in cybercrime. And especially over the last four or five years, when the platform replaced the Darknet, becoming the place for all trafficking, drug dealing, pedocriminality, exchanges of stolen banking data... [<- is that what you call FoE?]

(…)
FROM “PASSIVE REFUSAL” TO “COACTION”
When it was created in November 2023, the brand new Office for Minors (Ofmin) of the national police was faced with this long-standing problem: outside of anti-terrorism, judicial requisitions addressed to Telegram most often remained unanswered. Including in cases of pedocriminality. Obstacles that the young service reported to section J3 – dedicated to cybercrime – of the National Jurisdiction for the Fight against Organized Crime (Junalco) of the Paris prosecutor's office, which seized the opportunity and opened a preliminary investigation in February 2024. The magistrates first ensured that the problem was global, consulting the French police and prosecutors and then Eurojust, the European agency responsible for strengthening judicial cooperation within the Union. Result: the observation of a "virtual absence of response from Telegram to judicial requisitions" is widely shared, the Paris prosecutor will emphasize six months later. In France, according to our information, the national gendarmerie alone reported 2,460 procedures, between 2013 and 2024, in which requisitions sent to Telegram remained without follow-up.

Wednesday, two months after the opening of a judicial investigation and after ninety hours of police custody, Pavel Dourov is indicted for "refusal to communicate the information necessary for interceptions authorized by law", and complicity in organized crimes via the platform: distribution of child pornography, drug trafficking, fraud or money laundering in an organized gang.

The billionaire, who has received support from the Kremlin, is also subject to strict judicial control, with bail of 5 million euros, 1 million before September 5 then 500,000 euros per month, a ban on leaving the country and an obligation to report twice a week to a police station.

(…) for the magistrates, the “systematic” nature of the non-responses to the requisitions takes the head of Telegram out of simple “passive refusal” and into “coaction”, deciphers a judicial source. The legal debates are only just beginning.
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Tatvamasi said:
Nice try. None of the charges are even comparable to terrorism
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The distinction between terrorism and crime is specious given the porosities between organized crime, arms and/or drug trafficking and terrorism. Knowing the Jihadi movements, I can tell you this.

Tatvamasi said:
We will call out any attack on FoE.
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ahem, are you sure you want to discuss media freedom in India? Ok:

India

Reporters sans frontières assure la promotion et la défense de la liberté d'informer et d'être informé partout dans le monde. L'organisation, basée à Paris, compte des bureaux à l'international (Berlin, Bruxelles, Genève, Madrid, Stockholm, Tripoli, Tunis, Vienne et Washington DC) et plus de 150...
rsf.org rsf.org

Or do you want to talk about TikTok or WeChat?
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India bans TikTok, WeChat and dozens more Chinese apps

The Indian government says it has banned 59 apps with links to China on national security grounds.
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Amarante said:

Telegram: behind the scenes of the Pavel Dourov affair, the man who hid too much​

(Libération 30.08 - paywall)

(…) The French justice system mainly blames Pavel Durov for not having responded to the authorities’ multiple requests for serious crimes. He is flabbergasted, or pretends to be. His close friends in Dubai are digging up responses made by Telegram in cases of terrorism or pedophilia. (…)

(…) [until now] Macron has acted as if there had been no warning in the police and judicial spheres. However, as early as 2016, when he was still at Bercy [Ministry of the Economy], his colleague [at the Ministry of the Interior], Bernard Cazeneuve, deplored the fact that “States have no interlocutor” with Telegram.

Under pressure following the 2015 attacks, after making odious comments against France, Durov had to water down his libertarian wine a little, at least publicly: in February 2016, the service announced that it had closed 78 channels used by jihadist groups.

Telegram nevertheless remains, by far, the most resistant of all platforms to the demands of the authorities. Much more than its security – highly questionable, since with the exception of “secret discussions”, encrypted from end to end, everything else is accessible to Telegram administrators – it is this promise of non-cooperation that makes the platform so attractive to all those who want to stay under the radar. Including criminals.

“We’ve had Telegram in our sights for ten years,” complains a [police] officer specializing in cybercrime. And especially over the last four or five years, when the platform replaced the Darknet, becoming the place for all trafficking, drug dealing, pedocriminality, exchanges of stolen banking data... [<- is that what you call FoE?]

(…)
FROM “PASSIVE REFUSAL” TO “COACTION”
When it was created in November 2023, the brand new Office for Minors (Ofmin) of the national police was faced with this long-standing problem: outside of anti-terrorism, judicial requisitions addressed to Telegram most often remained unanswered. Including in cases of pedocriminality. Obstacles that the young service reported to section J3 – dedicated to cybercrime – of the National Jurisdiction for the Fight against Organized Crime (Junalco) of the Paris prosecutor's office, which seized the opportunity and opened a preliminary investigation in February 2024. The magistrates first ensured that the problem was global, consulting the French police and prosecutors and then Eurojust, the European agency responsible for strengthening judicial cooperation within the Union. Result: the observation of a "virtual absence of response from Telegram to judicial requisitions" is widely shared, the Paris prosecutor will emphasize six months later. In France, according to our information, the national gendarmerie alone reported 2,460 procedures, between 2013 and 2024, in which requisitions sent to Telegram remained without follow-up.

Wednesday, two months after the opening of a judicial investigation and after ninety hours of police custody, Pavel Dourov is indicted for "refusal to communicate the information necessary for interceptions authorized by law", and complicity in organized crimes via the platform: distribution of child pornography, drug trafficking, fraud or money laundering in an organized gang.

The billionaire, who has received support from the Kremlin, is also subject to strict judicial control, with bail of 5 million euros, 1 million before September 5 then 500,000 euros per month, a ban on leaving the country and an obligation to report twice a week to a police station.

(…) for the magistrates, the “systematic” nature of the non-responses to the requisitions takes the head of Telegram out of simple “passive refusal” and into “coaction”, deciphers a judicial source. The legal debates are only just beginning.
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“We’ve had Telegram in our sights for ten years,” complains a [police]

Sums it up!.

Keep justifying state sponsored crackdown on made up charges and then lecture non while countries.

Amarante said:
The distinction between terrorism and crime is specious given the porosities between organized crime, arms and/or drug trafficking and terrorism. Knowing the Jihadi movements, I can tell you this.
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No its not. You dot have any charges against telegram on jihadi terror or separatist support.
Amarante said:
ahem, are you sure you want to discuss media freedom in India? Ok:
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Ah, you see, we don't claim to be the land of freedom of expression or lecture others on it as a state. That's the difference. So, as i said, bend over.

www.rferl.org

France's Macron Urges Modi To Respect Rights In Kashmir, Avoid 'Escalation'

French President Emmanuel Macron has told Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi that Paris is watching developments in Kashmir closely and urged him to respect the rights of people on both sides of the divided Himalayan region.
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Amarante said:
Or do you want to talk about TikTok or WeChat?
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ahem ahem

www.lemonde.fr

Russia's RT France to definitively close after accounts frozen

RT France, which was previously banned from broadcasting in France but was still sharing content abroad, saw its assets frozen on Friday.
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Tatvamasi said:
I though the article is in french.
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I don't have access to the full article, but since you've read it, would you be so kind as to copy and paste it here for the benefit of the forum members. Many thanks in advance.

Unless you want to comment on an article you haven't even read?

Besides, the Rafale order book is full, so I don't see why Dassault would be desperate.
 
Amarante said:
Non le contrat pour l'achat d'avions de combat français Rafale aux Emirats arabes unis n'a pas été suspendu.'achat d'avions de combat français Rafale aux Emirats arabes unis n'a pas été suspendu.

rfi.fr 28.08
(…)The fake news is based on a fake report using the logo of the Qatari channel Al Jazeera, which is widely followed in the Arab world. A text affixed to archive images announces the freezing of the contract for the purchase of 80 Rafale aircraft by the Emirates. (...) After checking, Al Jazeera never broadcast this report and no official channel or media considered reliable mentions this measure. However, according to our research, the fake report appeared for the first time this Tuesday, August 28, at the end of the day, on Russian-language Telegram channels, then on the site of an obscure African online media (…) /deepl

Please, check your sources better.
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FULL FAKE NEWS.

It is not INFOX, but INTOX.

I heard that UAE may order some more Rafale....
 
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Hydra said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1832427323913564626

Some hate campaign is happening now from twitter hanlers,but this one is a genuine querry.

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Rafale will have GaN radar in the F5 version. However, just having a GaN radar doesn't make Gripen-E a superior jet to Rafale. Rafale brings forth novel capabilities in both air-to-air and air-to-ground that Gripen E simply won't match.

We shouldn't be lamenting the fact that Rafale has no GaN radar at the moment, rather the fact that we only have 36 of them which are too little to hold PLAAF, IMO.
 
Dassault Aviation : le PDG Éric Trappier compare l’entreprise à une « équipe de Formule 1 »

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Dassault Aviation: CEO Éric Trappier compares the company to a ‘Formula 1 team’.
September 18, 2024 / Radouan Kourak

In an interview with JDNews, Dassault Aviation CEO Éric Trappier talks about the growing success of the Rafale fighter jet, sales of which recently passed the 500-unit mark. Under his leadership, the company has established itself as a major global player in defence aeronautics.

International success fuelled by strategic contracts

One of the latest milestones is the sale of twelve Rafale aircraft to Serbia, completed in August 2024. Trappier sees this contract as a strong symbol of political rapprochement, explaining that ‘this type of contract cannot be done without a prior political agreement’, thus consolidating the ties between Serbia, France and Europe.

In response to concerns about data leaks to Russia, Trappier assures us that ‘Dassault knows how to preserve its secrets’ and minimises the risks associated with this contract.

At the same time, Trappier mentioned the possibility of signing new contracts before the end of the year, without disclosing the countries concerned. The year 2024 also marked a major expansion of the company, with the recruitment of 2,000 new employees. Rafale production has doubled, with the aim of delivering around 20 aircraft this year.

The company, often perceived as a ‘small thumb’ in the face of the American aerospace giants, is compared by its CEO to a ‘Formula 1 team’, small but powerful.

European challenges and the future of air defence

Trappier notes that many European countries continue to buy American aircraft, despite discussions about a European defence. The CEO is banking on the SCAF (Système de Combat Aérien du Futur) programme, developed in partnership with Germany and Spain, with a first flight scheduled for 2029 and entry into service in 2045.

Asked about Emmanuel Macron's call for a ‘war economy’, Trappier stresses that Dassault Aviation remains focused on its defence business, despite the supply challenges, while pointing out that the sector has not yet fully switched to this economic mode.
 
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Oct.08: At Saint-Dizier Air Base 113 to mark the 60th anniversary of the Strategic Air Forces, @SebLecornu [mindef] announced a major development for France's airborne nuclear deterrent: the new Rafale standard, the F5, which will carry the future ASN4G nuclear missile.
The Minister also announced the launch of the stealth combat drone programme, which will be operated directly from the Rafale cockpit.
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Rafale F5
First orders notified to manufacturers
 
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Unmanned combat aerial vehicle program kicks off as part of the Rafale F5 standard - Press kits

On this day, Sébastien Lecornu, French Minister of the Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs, announced the development launch of the unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) that will complement the future Rafale F5 standard after 2030. © Dassault Aviation - A. Pecchi
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Unmanned combat aerial vehicle program kicks off as part of the Rafale F5 standard​


On this day, Sébastien Lecornu, French Minister of the Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs, announced the development launch of the unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) that will complement the future Rafale F5 standard after 2030.

Saint-Cloud, October 8, 2024 – On this day, Sébastien Lecornu, French Minister of the Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs, announced the development launch of the unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) that will complement the future Rafale F5 standard after 2030.

The announcement was made at a ceremony marking the 60th anniversary of the French Strategic Air Forces (FAS) at the Saint-Dizier air base, in the presence of General Jérôme Bellanger, Chief of Staff of the French Air and Space Force (AAE), and Éric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation.

“This stealth combat drone will contribute to the technological and operational superiority of the French Air Force by 2033. It is significant that it is being initiated today, as we mark the 60th anniversary of the Strategic Air Forces and the 90th anniversary of the Air and Space Force: in aeronautics — a highly complex field — the future has deep roots, and innovation is built on experience. Dassault Aviation and its partners are proud to serve the French Armed Forces and the French Defense Procurement Agency (DGA). Their renewed confidence honours and obliges us,” declared Éric Trappier.

This UAV will be complementary to the Rafale and suited to collaborative combat. It will incorporate stealth technologies, autonomous control (with man-in-the-loop), internal payload capacity, and more. It will be highly versatile and designed to evolve in line with future threats.

It will benefit from the achievements of the nEUROn* program, Europe’s first stealth UCAV demonstrator.

The Rafale F5 combined with the UCAV and their evolutions, like the Mirage IV in its times, will ensure France’s independence and capability superiority in the coming decades.

* Initiated in 2003, the nEUROn program brought together the aeronautics resources of six European countries, with project management by Dassault Aviation. nEUROn completed its maiden flight in December 2012. More than 170 test flights have been conducted to date. The nEUROn program has lived up to all its promises in terms of performance levels, lead times and budget. /end
 
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