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Industry Offer for Eurofighter’s AESA Radar Production Due This Month

(Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Dec 10, 2018)

PARIS --- The industry consortium developing the new AESA radar for the Eurofighter is due to submit its offer for the production and retrofit of the Captor-E radar by the end of the month.

The offer will be submitted to the NETMA, the program’s executive agency, and could be followed by a production order as early as mid-2019, according to the German defense ministry’s autumn report on armaments programs, released Dec. 7. NETMA – the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency – manages the two programs on behalf of the UK, Germany, Spain and Italian governments.

The Captor-E consortium is developing the AESA radar under a €1 billion contract awarded on Nov. 19, 2014, to Eurofighter Jadgflugzeug GmbH by NETMA, and completed hardware development in June, the report states.

No production decision has yet been taken for the four partner countries, but as the Eurofighters to be delivered to Kuwait in late 2020 are to be the first with the AESA radar, initial production radars must be delivered in 2019.

However, there have been delays in complex software development due to resource constraints, and their effects are being examined so the necessary mitigation steps can be worked out, the report adds.

This means that the target date for retrofit of the Captor-E radar in German Eurofighters, while having been delayed to 2022, can nevertheless be realized.

Updates to the Eurofighter program, including obsolescence elimination, development of the EURODASS, role adaptation, and integration of the METEOR missile) have added €585 million over the initial estimate, according to the report, while the AESA radar has added €78 million to Germany’s costs.

In order to cover the needs of the four nations, the radar’s development included a multi-channel receiver (MCR), and in September 2017 industry was asked to submit a related offer by the end of 2018.

In the meantime, “The consequences of industry-indicated delays in the ongoing development of the AESA radar and the mitigation measures proposed by the industry must be thoroughly analyzed and critically assessed,” the report adds.

The future of the program is complicated by the fact that, while Germany is complementing the ongoing development with a multi-channel receiver, the United Kingdom, on the other hand, continues to demand a new radar development which focuses on the application for electronic warfare.

“In terms of armament policy, key technologies in the field of reconnaissance sensors use German-developed and secured systems, the availability of which is of substantial security interest for the Federal Republic of Germany,” according to the report. “The shares in the development and manufacturing program of the AESA radar contribute to maintain national engineering and manufacturing capacity in this segment.”

Industry Offer for Eurofighter’s AESA Radar Production Due This Month
 
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Industry Offer for Eurofighter’s AESA Radar Production Due This Month

(Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Dec 10, 2018)

PARIS --- The industry consortium developing the new AESA radar for the Eurofighter is due to submit its offer for the production and retrofit of the Captor-E radar by the end of the month.

The offer will be submitted to the NETMA, the program’s executive agency, and could be followed by a production order as early as mid-2019, according to the German defense ministry’s autumn report on armaments programs, released Dec. 7. NETMA – the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency – manages the two programs on behalf of the UK, Germany, Spain and Italian governments.

The Captor-E consortium is developing the AESA radar under a €1 billion contract awarded on Nov. 19, 2014, to Eurofighter Jadgflugzeug GmbH by NETMA, and completed hardware development in June, the report states.

No production decision has yet been taken for the four partner countries, but as the Eurofighters to be delivered to Kuwait in late 2020 are to be the first with the AESA radar, initial production radars must be delivered in 2019.

However, there have been delays in complex software development due to resource constraints, and their effects are being examined so the necessary mitigation steps can be worked out, the report adds.

This means that the target date for retrofit of the Captor-E radar in German Eurofighters, while having been delayed to 2022, can nevertheless be realized.

Updates to the Eurofighter program, including obsolescence elimination, development of the EURODASS, role adaptation, and integration of the METEOR missile) have added €585 million over the initial estimate, according to the report, while the AESA radar has added €78 million to Germany’s costs.

In order to cover the needs of the four nations, the radar’s development included a multi-channel receiver (MCR), and in September 2017 industry was asked to submit a related offer by the end of 2018.

In the meantime, “The consequences of industry-indicated delays in the ongoing development of the AESA radar and the mitigation measures proposed by the industry must be thoroughly analyzed and critically assessed,” the report adds.

The future of the program is complicated by the fact that, while Germany is complementing the ongoing development with a multi-channel receiver, the United Kingdom, on the other hand, continues to demand a new radar development which focuses on the application for electronic warfare.

“In terms of armament policy, key technologies in the field of reconnaissance sensors use German-developed and secured systems, the availability of which is of substantial security interest for the Federal Republic of Germany,” according to the report. “The shares in the development and manufacturing program of the AESA radar contribute to maintain national engineering and manufacturing capacity in this segment.”

Industry Offer for Eurofighter’s AESA Radar Production Due This Month
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Not a good news in general, and specially for MMRCA2. The main competitor has a fully operationnal AESA capacity for 5 years now, with 20 years of feed back with PESA, and a F4 upgrade on the horizon.
Add that the GIE Rafale International always deliver on time, on budget and on spec... Not the EF case.
 
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Not a good news in general, and specially for MMRCA2.

Only if you ignore this part =>

but as the Eurofighters to be delivered to Kuwait in late 2020 are to be the first with the AESA radar, initial production radars must be delivered in 2019.

Captor E developed was started for Kuwait and added orders for Qatar as well. The delays for the partner radar, have no meaning for MMRCA, although I would prefer if the partners follow the British proposal with EA capabilities.
Either way, the key for India is the Kuwaiti order and the capabilities they add above P3E. I'm still curious if they added Marte ER, which would mean maritime attack modes must be added to Captor E as well.
 
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Captor E developed was started for Kuwait and added orders for Qatar as well. The delays for the partner radar, have no meaning for MMRCA, although I would prefer if the partners follow the British proposal with EA capabilities.
Either way, the key for India is the Kuwaiti order and the capabilities they add above P3E. I'm still curious if they added Marte ER, which would mean maritime attack modes must be added to Captor E as well.
the industrial agrement for AESA is not inked yet and you always think Kuwait planes to be AESA equipped in 2020? You are a pure dreamer.
Not the first time EF is late.....
 
the industrial agrement for AESA is not inked yet and you always think Kuwait planes to be AESA equipped in 2020? You are a pure dreamer.
Not the first time EF is late.....
That's for European versions, not export versions. The export version is already larger and better than RBE2 AA and your yellow blouse protesters have spend your F4 upgrade money.
 
the industrial agrement for AESA is not inked yet and you always think Kuwait planes to be AESA equipped in 2020? You are a pure dreamer.
Not the first time EF is late.....

Once again slowly for you...

AESA development for export countries approved and ongoing, since the order of Kuwait, with planned delivery by 2020.

AESA retrofit for partner countries, yet to be approved and with planned deliveries by 2022 for Germany.

Both planned earlier than the delivery of Rafale F4 and since you brought it up, Rafale is the last fighter to put Meteor into operational service now. One more field, where EF not only caught up, but even surpassed it.
 
That's for European versions, not export versions. The export version is already larger and better than RBE2 AA and your yellow blouse protesters have spend your F4 upgrade money.
what export version? For now only exist CAPTOR M, for everybody.

Don't be jalous. F4 is on track. And if you follow the M2000 and Rafale Programs, all updrades are always on time. Just wait 2023... Do you thin EF will be AESA equipped in 2023 ?
 
what export version? For now only exist CAPTOR M, for everybody.

Don't be jalous. F4 is on track. And if you follow the M2000 and Rafale Programs, all updrades are always on time. Just wait 2023... Do you thin EF will be AESA equipped in 2023 ?
The export version is what is going on the Kuwaiti fighters. The date on that hasn't changed.
 
The export version is what is going on the Kuwaiti fighters. The date on that hasn't changed.
The contract was announced in April 2015 and at that time Fan boys said that 3 years later in April 2018 Typhoon would be delivered to Kuwait with the Captor-E.
And remember this discussion:
Eurofighter Typhoon v/s Dassault Rafale - Analysis
The link to the picture is broken but at that time no one challenged the excerpt I had made.
For the moment the contract for the production is still not signed!
FSD 'Radar 1' to meet export requirements in 2015
'Radar 2' to meet core four-nation requirements around 2017
'Radar 3' to fulfil the UK's more ambitious needs later! (this is the only version having electronic attack capabilities)
Radar 1 form give same performance than Captor M!
Radar 1 for 2015 and now for 2020 :D:D:D
Radar 1 form give same performance than Captor M!:sick::sick::sick:

In August 2014 Radar 1 was planned to be available one year later, in december 2018 Radar 1 is planned to be available two years later and you want us to believe you?
 
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No, the export version gives far better performance than Captor-M and is 1.5x the area of RBE2 AA. Facts are facts. It was the Kuwaiti deal that has set the date. A deal that didn't exist beforehand. And if you want to talk about delays, let's talk about the MMRCA contract for 126 Rafales.
 
No, the export version gives far better performance than Captor-M and is 1.5x the area of RBE2 AA. Facts are facts. It was the Kuwaiti deal that has set the date. A deal that didn't exist beforehand. And if you want to talk about delays, let's talk about the MMRCA contract for 126 Rafales.
On the Captor-E they are unable to properly extract heat from the T/R modules! And to achieve a result they had to put less module on the "large" Radar 1 antenna than on the "small" RBE2 antenna. They hope to make progress on Radar 2, which will make it possible to put more modules than on RBE2, but it's not won in advance and it will still be late, as I had already predicted in 2017.
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On the Captor-E they are unable to properly extract heat from the T/R modules! And to achieve a result they had to put less module on the "large" Radar 1 antenna than on the "small" RBE2 antenna. They hope to make progress on Radar 2, which will make it possible to put more modules than on RBE2, but it's not won in advance and it will still be late, as I had already predicted in 2017.
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That's made up garbage. It's not Eurofighter's fault that your MMRCA deal is in turmoil, so no need to trash this thread just because India trashed your deal. We don't even care about MMRCA, the Indian government is far too difficult to deal with. You're welcome to MMRCA and all it's off-spring. In the time you've spent haggling with India over 26 aircraft, we've sold more than twice as many with much less haggling. Like I say, you're welcome to them, we're not even interested in the running anymore, so no need to trash this thread hoping to gain anything.
 
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That's made up garbage. It's not Eurofighter's fault that your MMRCA deal is in turmoil, so no need to trash this thread just because India trashed your deal. We don't even care about MMRCA, the Indian government is far too difficult to deal with. You're welcome to MMRCA and all it's off-spring. In the time you've spent haggling with India over 26 aircraft, we've sold more than twice as many with much less haggling. Like I say, you're welcome to them, we're not even interested in the running anymore, so no need to trash this thread hoping to gain anything.
Pipe down Padraig. Your heartfelt rant is disconcerting.Have a couple of shots. It'd steel you up.
 
It took about 4 years to even get the deal signed. And every time it was like, another 6 months, another 6 months, with continual gradual reductions in :poop:Rafale:poop: purchase numbers.