Eurofighter Typhoon - Updates and Discussions

BMD said:
It took about 4 years to even get the deal signed. And every time it was like, another 6 months, another 6 months, with continual gradual reductions in :poop:Rafale:poop: purchase numbers.
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This should be posted in the MMRCA thread. Out here, we're discussing the "splendid" Euro fighter.
 
Picdelamirand-oil said:
On the Captor-E they are unable to properly extract heat from the T/R modules! And to achieve a result they had to put less module on the "large" Radar 1 antenna than on the "small" RBE2 antenna.
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Do you have any reliable source to back this up? Otherwise such nonsense is beneath you.
 
During the MMRCA competition I could understand it but now it's just aimless trolling without reason. The MMRCA deal conclusion should have flushed this away, but sometimes after you flush a stubborn turd floats back up.
 
Sancho said:
Do you have any reliable source to back this up? Otherwise such nonsense is beneath you.
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You must think that OEMs are not going to brag about it, this kind of information can only be obtained with an economic intelligence activity, to which I had access, but which I cannot support on a forum.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
@randomradio

Surely, this calls for a rebuttal.
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Don't worry. As far as Sancho is concerned, he wants proof in writing.

Let's forget the fact that the Typhoon's new AESA radar has been in development hell for years, and what should have been operational in 2015 is not expected to be operational until 2020.

The Captor-E is EADS's LCA moment. And it's common knowledge that managing heat on AESA is one of the most crucial factors and is a headache to all OEMs. So what Picdel pointed out doesn't need proof, just common sense. Had Picdel pointed out something very highly specific, asking for proof would have been fine, but Sancho is continuing being Sancho and PDF is continuing being PDF. So all iz well.
 
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randomradio said:
Don't worry. As far as Sancho is concerned, he wants proof in writing.

Let's forget the fact that the Typhoon's new AESA radar has been in development hell for years, and what should have been operational in 2015 is not expected to be operational until 2020.

The Captor-E is EADS's LCA moment. And it's common knowledge that managing heat on AESA is one of the most crucial factors and is a headache to all OEMs. So what Picdel pointed out doesn't need proof, just common sense. Had Picdel pointed out something very highly specific, asking for proof would have been fine, but Sancho is continuing being Sancho and PDF is continuing being PDF. So all iz well.
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I just discovered why you're groaning with piles @BMD

Hope you recover soon.
 
randomradio said:
Don't worry. As far as Sancho is concerned, he wants proof in writing.

Let's forget the fact that the Typhoon's new AESA radar has been in development hell for years, and what should have been operational in 2015 is not expected to be operational until 2020.

The Captor-E is EADS's LCA moment. And it's common knowledge that managing heat on AESA is one of the most crucial factors and is a headache to all OEMs. So what Picdel pointed out doesn't need proof, just common sense. Had Picdel pointed out something very highly specific, asking for proof would have been fine, but Sancho is continuing being Sancho and PDF is continuing being PDF. So all iz well.
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So it's okay to make assumptions. Okay, well the Rafale is having problem with radar heating too, that's why they have to turn it off most of the time. In India this is especially prevalent, hence why the deal was reduced from 126 to 36. Commonsense, no proof required.
 
Sancho said:
Yes, just as planned delivery for Rafale in India is 2019. ☺
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First one already fling....
Some others on the assembly line. No Pb. As early said, Dassault is always on time, on budget and on spec. India order will follow the same track. Sorry for you.
 
BMD said:
So it's okay to make assumptions. Okay, well the Rafale is having problem with radar heating too, that's why they have to turn it off most of the time. In India this is especially prevalent, hence why the deal was reduced from 126 to 36. Commonsense, no proof required.
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:eek: I think you are sick.
 
Bon Plan said:
Just mean that YOU can't have any access to this datas.
Just have a look to Pic curriculum.... you will understand he knows very interesting people.
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Having a CV doesn't entitle you to make up horseshit on a daily basis.
 
Bon Plan said:
Just mean that YOU can't have any access to this datas.
Just have a look to Pic curriculum.... you will understand he knows very interesting people.
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It means that he claims something that he can't back up and for which there is not a shred of evidence available in the public domain. Even the report he posted recently talked only about software issues, not such nonsense that Captor E would have lower number of TR modules than RBE 2. I respect his knowledge, but I also know that he is biased because of his past.
 
BMD said:
So it's okay to make assumptions. Okay, well the Rafale is having problem with radar heating too, that's why they have to turn it off most of the time. In India this is especially prevalent, hence why the deal was reduced from 126 to 36. Commonsense, no proof required.
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That's not how common sense works.
 
Sancho said:
It means that he claims something that he can't back up and for which there is not a shred of evidence available in the public domain. Even the report he posted recently talked only about software issues, not such nonsense that Captor E would have lower number of TR modules than RBE 2. I respect his knowledge, but I also know that he is biased because of his past.
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You obviously misread. Pic didn't say the Captor-E would have lesser number of modules than RBE-2AA, but that the larger Captor-E will have less modules per unit of diameter versus the RBE-2AA. Huge difference.
 
randomradio said:
Let's forget the fact that the Typhoon's new AESA radar has been in development hell for years, and what should have been operational in 2015 is not expected to be operational until 2020.
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Let's not forget that you have no clue what you are talking about as always. The AESA got preliminary development funding in 2014, the first order for EFs with AESA came only in 2016, with planned delivery for 2019/20. But then again, ramdom talks. 😥
 
Sancho said:
Let's not forget that you have no clue what you are talking about as always. The AESA got only preliminary development funding in 2014, the first order for EFs with AESA came only in 2016, with planned delivery for 2019/20. But then again, ramdom talks. 😥
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:ROFLMAO:

Captor-E made its first development flight in 2007. The demonstrator program has been going on since 2002.

:ROFLMAO:

https://www.hensoldt.net/fileadmin/hensoldt/Datenblätter/0717_14_Captor_E.pdf
CAESAR – CAPTOR AESA Radar Euroradar funded demonstrator program 2002-2007 New AESA frontend with CAPTOR-M backend. Successful flight demonstrations on EurofighterTyphoon in May 2007

The program was mired in so much trouble that they couldn't begin funding for a production model until 2014. During MMRCA, they had promised a production model ready by 2012.

http://www.brahmand.com/news/Eurofighter-Typhoon-to-fly-with-AESA-radar-by-2015/7411/1/10.html
“After one year of industry funding, the Eurofighter and Euroradar consortia have received renewed strong support from the partner nations and have agreed to continue the full scale development programme of the next generation E-Scan radar, confirming the 2015 entry into service date,” Eurofighter said in a statement last week.

:ROFLMAO:
 
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