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Explain this part , u mean to say Mumbai proposered solely due to parsi money?no role of British or important trading port here??
I agree Parsis led the foundation of Indian industries during British rule but sole credit is a bit too much
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Explain this part , u mean to say Mumbai proposered solely due to parsi money?no role of British or important trading port here??
I agree Parsis led the foundation of Indian industries during British rule but sole credit is a bit too much
You want to say thank you to the Brits too, be my guest.
What they made from you they siphoned back to their homeland.
We did the same.
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Sure , Thank You British
But u talk as if there would have been no Mumbai without Parsis. No one denies contribution of Parsis in natiion building but dont degrade others
You seem triggered, bawa. My apologies. The intention wasn't to rake up painful family histories ( we all have plenty in the closet. Some families more than the rest) The intention was to put things in perspective. No doubt the Parsi contribution to Bombay was immense. But so were that of the Jews, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Maharastrians, etc and this list is solely for the construction of public buildings and civil amenities or philanthropy under the aegis of the British.
But the principal beneficiaries have always been the Paris community themselves viz the Baugs, sanitariums, hospitals, educational institutions, etc. No harm in that too. I was merely pointing out the irony in this. How can ill gotten wealth be whitewashed by committing it to public good. This isn't the way of the Parsis. It's the way of the British or the Arab hordes who laid waste to Persia - it's glorious civilization, people, religion et al.
Just my two cents. You are free to disagree.
There would be no Bombay (or Karachi) without Parsis.
There would be no Jamshedpur too.
How does this statement "degrade" anyone else, you, anonymous anna, is beyond me.
Want to explain?
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This statement answers your "want to explain". You come out as having supremacist tendencies regarding your community.
You can say that Parsis were one of the contributors in building Mumbai /Karachi but no you exclaim there would be no Mumbai or Karachi without Parsis ignoring others contribution
PS: its called "Mumbai" since 1995
Except the baugs, everything else is open to all.
Schools and colleges. Medical and engineering colleges.
Parsis don't even get reservations in these institutions.
Can you be more secular?
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No man.
The statement is very clear.
And for all of us, it's always Bombay.
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There is nothing called ill gotten wealth here at all.
You have still to explain why Parsis being the most successful in trading with China (it's an ancestral thing for us ... we know that land and people best) under the British in an environment where EVERY Indian trading community (including Hindu) tried as hard, is bad or ill gotten.
We practically built Hong Kong. And Chinese silk and brocades and porcelain and gara saris are traditional family heirlooms in most Parsi families.
I know which book this narrative comes from, the color of its cover, and I'm calling out a closet sanghi on it.
Your struggles are amusing. To put it very mildly.
Cheers, Doc
But why not the baugs? The numbers are dwindling. Besides most Parsis already have two or three flats in Bombay. What's one less going to do to your lot?
As far as schools, collegesvand other institutes are concerned, they began as an exclusively Parsi preserve before being thrown open to the general public. It could be that these Institutes found out that the small nos of Parsis by themselves wouldn't be able to contribute by fees to the running of such institutions. But nevertheless, it's a welcome move. We do appreciate our Parsi brethren for their benevolence.
However my larger point was to the illicit nature of funds that went into raising these institutes. That's not the Parsi way. It's not what the Avesta or the Gathas decreed. Don't you coming from a priestly family see the sin in it? Please note I'm not accusing you or your ancestors of any impropriety. What's happened is in the past. It should stay there. But say, if you were to go to Hong Kong and there are many monuments and streets dedicated to Parsis and you take pride in them openly voicing your approval. What happens if a local Chinese comes up to you and narrates the true story of how such people came to be so honoured. After all, you must know, the Chinese don't forget their history. We are a notoriously ahistorical lot.
We practically built Hong Kong.
We practically built Aden.
We practically ran Burma for the Brits.
This is all history anna.
Please try and explain where any of this is bad or ill gotten.
Baugs are semi religious for us. There are religious functions there regularly. Halls and lawns for the same. Community get togethers. None of this is allowed per our faith in the presence of those not Zoroastrian born.
I haven't read into the older history of these schools and colleges, but at our peak in the 19th century we numbered about 200,000+.
Look at the number of schools and colleges. One Medical college could cater to all Parsi aspiring doctors.
Why build more?
Ditto for hospitals. Libraries.
And even after "throwing them open" - per you - not one seat reserved for those of us still there? Any answer?
I'll be honest. You're being mean. Not that it matters.
Cheers, Doc
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I'd tell you why. Maybe then you'd answer me. Most Hindus never made the journey across seas then. There were caste taboos. The opium trade was solely the preserve of the Parsi, Jew, the Scots, Welsh, English & Irish communities. The local ryot in Bengal, Malwa, UP & Bihar were forced to cultivate opium which the local money lenders financed and sold to the merchants in Bombay who in turn traded it for vast sums of silver and gold to the Chinese out of which a significant amount made its way into British coffers as tax & other duties.
This was also legal then. But was it moral or ethical? The Parsis knew it wasn't. Hence the expiation vide philanthropy. There's a larger philosophical question here if you really want to shed your shades and see.
You happily left out the other Indian communities in on the trade. Though nowhere as successful.
Calcutta and most of Bengal was controlled by Hindus.
Parsis controlled the Bombay Presidency.
Read.
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I don't know where did you get your history on building up Aden or HK or even running Burma for the British. I'm trying to avoid portray you guys as toadies of the British so that your other friends don't jump into the fray and taunt you and you seem hellbent on just that.
If Bags are semi religious for you, so are the hospices and sanitariums. How come you share these but not baugs? Let me elaborate this further. I've come across Hindus, Muslims and Parsis practise ritual purity. I've seen Parsis and Muslims refuse to be served or eat alongside / by ppl who aren't their co religionists. How come this is seen as a hate crime / casteist and repressive measure if only a Hindu commits it but not a non Hindu?
After Mumbai , Karachi now Hongkong next Shanghai and then Europe i say London .
Oh wait i forgot Aden
We were discussing the opium trade and it's kingpins. Not the small fries. But you're free to deflect instead of reflecting - Good Thoughts, Good Words & Good Deeds!
You want me to now defend Hindus as well.
You do that.
I'll limit myself to Parsis.
Get with the program anna.
India is dead. Long live the fragmented cheese holed chaos we are ancestrally comfortable with.
Ever man, every community, an island.
Cheers, Doc
You are free to read. And learn.
From non Sanghi sources.
Who do not try and hatchet a small proud community by branding them as no more than druglords and British "toadies" ...
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Accha ...
Calcutta small.
Bengal small.
Bombay big.
That too in British India.
I'll bug out now .... headache ho ya do, sir to mera phat raha hai.
Cheers, Doc