Recently, there were news that some parts of Jaguar engines which were not available were made using MIDHANI Metallurgy.
Recently, there were news that some parts of Jaguar engines which were not available were made using MIDHANI Metallurgy.
Batter use in Mig 29. Once proven, we can move on to Tejas.
In 2017 Safran said that Kaveri with current core would generate only 73 kn and for higher thrust a new core needed. Safran ask 500 million usd for core development and single crystal blade tot. Proposal than turndown by GTRE saying that it is too much.
Now we paying same amount for F414 after 8 years.
2 different issues being conflated here. SAFRAN was offering the M-88 core not what you're suggesting. Moreover even if we'd accepted the offer the IPR would probably be with SAFRAN & more to the point the TF we'd then make would be analogous to the F-404 not the F-414.
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As I said, we have paid heavy price of not taking decision in right time. Our Jet Program delay is accumulation of many such dumb decisions and mis opportunities and everything wrong which can happened to such program of strategic importance. Even proper funding would have fetched us a working engine today. However, we didn't do anything right and as a result, we are facing critical issues in maintaining our fleet strength today.
Collective decision making at the national level is not dumb, it is about whose interest were kept and whose not.
Let us compare with Navy. They have succeeded to a larger extent in atmanirbhar, but Air force due to certain reasons never wanted that to happen and always tried to sabotage. Only due to Mr Parrikar, LCA has seen the limelight. It is said that Necessity is mother of invention and for this reason that India had to made effort and succeeded with regard to rocket propulsion as well as Atomic energy since other countries refused to part with the technology. Since Get Engine were available for import at cost and foreign tours for people from Air force and Defence ministry personnel will be available, they have wantonly sabotaged the Indigenisation program. It is unfortunate.
Here we are trying to solely blame IAF, but in reality all the stakeholders are at fault due to half hearted effort from some and not adequate effort + resource from others. Not possible to pin blame on one side alone. Aero engine and jets, esp fighter jets, are such critical items that both should have had the baseline funding available. But no one showed enough heart into the program because almost every side had doubt from beginning about success, the alternative being offered by sugar coated promises, and unwillingness from the user and domestic industry.
If we had taken that opportunity, now we have Tejas 1 A with our own engine and not waiting for F 404 for same. But let's move on. Destiny have choosen this way only.
But now government is quite serious about Engines. All type of engine program getting funding.
In F414 deal we are going to get significant manufacturing ToT. This ToT will lead GTRE to set standard for manufacturing for future jet engines. Deal for F414 is in advance stage and will be done in few weeks.
From Safran AMCA 110 kn jet engine we will get ToT and know how for 5th generation engine. We may hear some new on this in aero India.
Because you think the French have the 5th generation techno ? And if so, you think they will share with us the critical know how of it ?....
Safran had offered this at the time of Rafale purchase and we are still in all sorts of ambiguity. We are still in a state of confusion. Russia has offered TOT for a long long time. We operate Russian plane with Russian engines than what is the issue operating Indian plane with Russian engines. Now they have AL51 technology too. We neither collaborate, nether bought TOT, neither stole, nor funded engine development. We remained complacent.
Anybody's interest was kept except the interest of nation.
Co development with Safran only reduce time span for developing 5th Gen engine.
GTRE now is in position and well equipped to develop a 5th generation engine. However, time taken by solo GTRE effort will be much more than Co development with Safran.
GTRE development of 4th generation engine with Single Crystal Blade manufacturing technique, TBC etc etc are magnificent achievements.
Except USA AND RUSSIA no other country develop more than 4th generation engines.
It is because our in house development of SCB, GE and Safran come to the table of talk for TOT. GE ready to part F414 engine manufacturing technology is not because of kindness but because they know that Indian have arrived. There was time when Safran even refuse to help in Kaveri program. They proposed a engine based on M88 core.
There is always chance to deviation from transfer of Technology agreements and these risk can be minimized by structuring TOT agreement into undeniable pact. This can be done by releasing payment at suitable time after confirming training of staff in critical technologies.
This is what being done by current government. That is why preparing the agreement taking so much time.
So have a hope.
Safran at present don't have 5th generation engine but they have many building block ready. They already developed M 88 core to more than 100 kn wet thrust and 70 kn dry thrust. Development of suitable materials and thermal management of engine for 5th level require lot of work to be done and that is why a time of 10 to 12 year require for development of this engine.
Else where, there is information that after burner from Brahmos for the Kaveri engine will be ready by 2026. Meanwhile, Government should give clearance for Kaveri 2.0 development and provide requisite funds without any further loss of time.
Some movement on the powder metallurgy front:
No movement on the raw material front yet.
Kaveri will be mated with the LCA in 2-3 years.
The GTRE person is talking about KDE. Listen from 1:49:21 when the Janes guy asks this very question the GTRE person answers that "Kaveri engine will not be a candidate for LCA Tejas"!
Ok, i didn't watch that far. He should have been clear in the presentation by saying KDE and UAV.
