Stop the BS and prove GoI's Sabotage of Kaveri Engine.
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The reality is, IAF doesn't have any other option other than going for a foreign SEF if it wants to meet the target of 42-45 sqn by 2035>
IAF is really looking forward to the Mk-2 and would prefer it over the F-16, believe me. I've spoken to someone very high up in the chain personally. But the problem is that the govt is pushing them to select the F-16 as the new SEF to satisfy its foreign policy goals, even while it hasn't cleared the technical trials.
IAF is using this to their advantage by pressuring GoI to order more Rafales ASAP while LM find a way to modify the jets to clear the trials so that tht acquisition can move forward.
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I expect the never ending talks with Russia with no substantial results to continue until Modi/BJP is out of power. I expect them to sign a dozen MOUs too.
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I expect the never ending talks with Russia with no substantial results would continue until Modi/BJP is out of power. I expect them to sign a dozen MOUs too.
See the Photo of Modi and Rogozin
How happy he i.e. Rogozin looks
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He was caught in a Massage parlour during a Police raid
Tainted GTRE director transferred
Tainted GTRE director transferred
Not providing test bed, arresting of chief of Keveri engine in 2011 is sabotage.
Let us not come to this conclusion till the deal is made. Using terms like "political goals" is really vague. Discussing about whether it will be bought or not is like playing prediction game. You an utmost give rationale to the best choice available, not predict these decisions
He was caught in a Massage parlour during a Police raid
Tainted GTRE director transferred
Tainted GTRE director transferred
Yes, he had character weakness but that was irrelevant to Kaveri project. Even the arrest appeared to be targeted with someone giving the exact time and place of him to get him arrested.
Modi is like a Banyan Tree which will not allow no other tree to grow under it.
Modi leadership style is authoritarian. You should know how Modi destroyed the likes of Advani, Keshubhai, Tagodia and even Bhagwat. There is a reason why MP was shown the door. Modi likes yes masters and CCS has four of them. The only one who calls shots in CCS is PMO i.e. Modi himself.
There would be zero ToT. This has been made very clear and is part of the draft agreement that was agreed upon in principle earlier this year.
If Kaveri is stuck it is Not because of This Gentleman visiting massage parlours
It is because the huge Knowledge and Technological GAP that we have to bridge
That is where the French Help is welcome
By the way all your allegations are absurd ; false and Motivated
The F16 purchase is more of an attempt to normalize the indo-us trade deficit of 24Bn also as the USA is India's no1 trading partner with 42Bn we have our mutual interest. if India is not going for F16 purchase we will go for some other hi-tech military purchase but that deal should benefit India with similar kind of clause like offshore manufacturing facilities.
As I said, delays are something that can be attributed to everything. But, considering the fact that other countries did it much quickly shows that there wasn't good leadership or political motivation. Lack of test facility is a real reason.
What people need to understand is neither PMO nor IAF has any love for the LCA.
LCA is just a pawn in the negotiations between PMO and IAF.
If PMO pushes too strongly on F-16s, IAF starts supporting LCA and
If IAF pushes too strongly on RAFALEs, PMO starts pushing LCA.
That's pretty much the utility of the LCA.
IAF is just negotiating hard to get as many follow-on RAFALEs as possible in lieu of they agreeing to PMOs proposal to procure F-16s. That's about it.
But not with Trump's policy. If trade deficit was the only issue, we can always buy more Chinooks, Apaches, Poseidons, UAVs and the NMRH contract. But that's not what the US wants. They want inroads to our military planning and policies.
I mean, what kind of an security partner would India be to them if we don't share combat assets?? And Apaches don't count.
Wow. Did GTRE ask for a AT and FTB? Show me one document where GTRE or ADA's proposal for a test bed was rejected by GoI?
ground testing was extensively carried out for Kaveri AT and FTB conducted in CIAM russia was close to a combined 150 hrs whereas if I recall correctly ground testing clocked more than 2600 hrs. Ground testing constitutes a volume of 17 times more that that for AT and FTB
What was the chief of kaveri engine arrested on? Wasn't Kaveri supposed be ready by 1998 how does what happened in 2011 can explain missing the project deadline of 1998 to all the extensions it got till it was de-linked in 2008 , is there some time travel conspiracy here now. The first prototype for LCA was supposed fly using one of the 8 engine prototypes to complete by 98. Even in 2005 DRDO was claiming that by 2007 LCA prototype should be flying with Kaveri Engine, and that was decade ago.
The Hindu : National : Good progress on Kaveri engine, says DRDO chief
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He was caught in a Massage parlour during a Police raid
Tainted GTRE director transferred
Tainted GTRE director transferred
LMAO.... UPA conspiracy for Kaveri SABOTAGE.....
Incorrect. LCA has always been an excuse and punching bag for both PMO & IAF.
Fully agree here.
Take it from me. There will be no F-16s trials like MMRCA. We are only talking about IAF putting the stamp of approval and that would happen as soon as additional RAFALE numbers have been agreed upon between PMO & IAF.
F 16 will happen Only when Modi comes back again in 2019
There are Too many things that are Left to be discussed and decided such as
The Two Remaining Foundation agreements ; TOT ; Price ; Life cycle costs
Customisations ; spares etc ; etc
We have just One year Left Before which the Govt goes into Election mode
And secondly Money is a Big factor here
There are too many competing needs and priorities
The pint here is that there is no need for F16 at all. It serves no purpose. Wartime needs are:
1) Manufacturing large quantity
2) Spare part availability at will instantly
3) Repairing ability
No war can be won with few hundred aircraft, or without spare parts at right time or without ability to do maintenance and repairs.
All this needs large Indigenous manufacturing
Everyone has their own priorities we have our own also defence manufacturer lobby is not new to IAF or MOD. As I said earlier purchase should be with clause of offshore development facility (Employment ) and hope we have the best brain to take the decision so let's wait and watch.
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