24 pages of utter BS subsequently any procurement is not effective against Pakistan as they have successfully maintained conventional equillibrium with India.
IAF Chronicles - A side view of whats going on behind the closed doors in New Delhi
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I too seriously doubt that Modi and BJP is getting funds from USA. While Russia backs congress at all levels.Two points Kshitij.
Please understand. Assassination? A theory. Can you give a rationale for it? USSR got all it's objectives. It is a red herring just like SC Bose being alive.
As for others, there was no "TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER'. Has it been mentioned as such? The Khalistan issue and the Kashmir and Kamraj's? Please do read about the subversions in Punjab, Tamil Nadu and Kashmir as Indira Gandhi tried to subvert regional parties. This discussion will take the thread off course. Read about it and if you have queries, you post them in the member's section to clarify.
Also understand that I am pointing to you to look towards answering your questions through your own research. There is also the theory that Sonia Gandhi's father, an Italian soldier and POW of Russia, was 'turned' by the then NKVD and GRU along with KGB (NKVD's successor) were controlling him. As part of the same reportedly she was "placed"
That the Mitrokhin report, reportedly quoted him as stating that post 2003 elections, SVR had managed an asset at the highest echelons of Indian Governance, was again a point fuelling the above theory as Sonia Gandhi flew to Moscow just immediately upon winning the elections without much fanfare and in a low key affair.
Recall PV Narasimha Rao, one of the most dynamic and visionary yet underappreciated PM of India, got his daughter's US residency immediately after backtracking from conducting an overt nuclear test in 1995 (was it? just check the year). MMS was at Harvard and his name was already announced as FM in a French Daily even before he was appointed.
Also, there has been the infamous 'mole' in Indira's cabinet and also an intelligence report by Indian Military Intelligence, reportedly naming presently active and famous politicians who have and are receiving funds from multiple countries both friendly and adversarial.
These include politicians from across the political spectrum. So, your heading into that direction will be a Pandora's box. That is why, we have extreme compartmentalisation with most of the top leadership not aware of 'sensitive' information, which may be made available to PM on emergent requirement and not informed in routine or even as a executive brief.
There are lot of red herrings and lot of truth to it. The Technical Services Division under Gen Vk Singh was nothing new. Military Intelligence keeps tabs. But the beauty of the Indian Democracy is that Armed Forces do not have the mandate to intervene in political affairs, a policy well tested and correctly adhered to.
Recall the invite of Indira Gandhi to COAS to take over during emergency. She would have played the victim then
What I am saying is that accept that the system is penetrated by vested interests. Also understand that all do not become proxy to these interests, merely use them to promote their interests.
Very much possible that I m wrong here.
In what sense? Indigenous manufacturing is everything. Pakistan doesn't have enough Uranium, doesn't make helicopters, trucks, tanks, 3rd generation ATGM like NAG, doesn't have SAMs, doesn't have BVR, radars, Sonars, satellites and so on. They may be importing some items here and there but if India begins indigenous manufacturing, there is no stopping it.
India is on its own. Congress, after the fall of Soviets, went under USA control. Nambi Narayan case sabotage of Cryogenic engine, Vajpayee govt collapse in 1999, Sonia Gandhi being installed, Lalu Yadav and cronies collapsing stonewalling BJP govt in 1996 etc were USA's deeds. The signing of Nuclear deal was also by US directiv. It was stated that the deal was a first step to non-proliferation. India had enough coal for hundreds of years and there was no need to convert a measly 3GW (3%) energy into imported Uranium under IAEA safeguards. Indian nuclear plants were almost all designed in PHWR for plutonium generation (except for a few reactors). The nuclear deal was a big antinational move.
We should also not forget USA denying Visa to Modi by singling him out. It also shows whom the USA prefers.
Cross posting from Indian Army sets sights on 120 high-tech drones (HALE) to boost surveillance
For Reference
The MALE RFP is part 1 of the actual requirement.
IA MALE Categories are
All three services have searcher Mk2, heron and heron Tp divided among themselves
For MALE program
For Mini UAVS
HALE
In HALE category needs are distributed among IN and IAF
IN
For Reference
The MALE RFP is part 1 of the actual requirement.
IA MALE Categories are
- The first category should have an endurance of 25hr and should be controllable on LOS range up to 250 km as well through satellite up to 1000 km.
- In the second category, an endurance of 10hr and range 250km at LOS is needed.
- Both categories should have multi-payload capability.
- Army artillery needs two categories of MALE UAVs for EO/IR, Elint, Commint, SAR roles
- The second category will go for Rustom/Tapas
- First category will have a fight out with Hermes 900
- MALE UAVs for coastal surveillance up 150nm from the coastline in all weather conditions.
- 37 nos of such UAVs are required
All three services have searcher Mk2, heron and heron Tp divided among themselves
For MALE program
- Elbit Advanced Systems - manufacture of the Hermes 900 MALE had offered a MII project
- This UAV is already in service with Israelis armed forces.
- The joint venture will carry out assembly, integration and testing of the UAVs at Mundra, Gujarat which has hangers and airfield other facilities already available for this purpose.
- The aim of the project is to meet IA requirements and exports.
For Mini UAVS
- Tata Advanced systems is building its own mini UAS project
- The aim is to meet Army Infantry’s mini-UAV requirements
- The system has been indigenously designed and have sub-systems like autopilot, ground control station and gimbal stabilization.
- The system is capable of all terrain operations on 24/7 basis and has features like autonomous mission control and target tracking low noise and has rugged ground control station.
HALE
In HALE category needs are distributed among IN and IAF
IN
- Indian Navy to carry out surveillance of the Choke points such as Gulf of Aden, Mozambique, and entrance to the Malacca Strait.
- The first Lot of 22 Guardian B is ordered for that role.
- IN wants to arm a lot of HALE with ASW capabilities as well as some NG PGMs
- Eventually, the fleet is expected to grow to 6 squadrons over time. (66-80 drones)
- IAF needs of HALE for an approximate 100-120 in nos for a 10 squadron force including reserves
- Its choice is Predator C Avenger NG Multi-mission drone
- MTOW of 8200kgs, Length 13m, Wingspan 20m, the Internal payload of 1600 kgs and external 2950 kgs.
- Primarily will be armed with PGMs. DRDO is tasked for a 1000 KG NG-PGM development as well MKI/Mirage/Rafale/LCA fleet. This homegrown NG- PGM will be deployed in Avengers as well as Naval drones in future, Initially it will be armed with American Munitions only.
- Presently a file of 40 Predator C Avenger NG Drone is with POTUS for confirmation.
- It's expected that once we formally sign Guardian drones, this will follow next.
- Plan is to allow General Atomics identify a local partner for a MII program for Maintenance terms of technology followed by assembling partially few of the later fresh orders.
I am sure by 2023-2024 they will be ready enough to churn out big nos and take the production further up from 83mk1a. By then indigenous Kaveri with safran help might just be ready.
Kaveri has been progressing well and dry thrust of 52kN was achieved in 2011 itself. There has been last mile problems in screeching etc in high altitude tests and that are being ironed out. By 2019, the Kaveri is likely to be ready
Credit to @Abingdonboy
In a candid discussion with an insider, our @Abingdonboy got few more information tid bits
Apparently lot of scope here if we make a decision soon
@Picdelamirand-oil @Hellfire @halloweene @Bon Plan @nair @Tarun @randomradio @Milspec @vstol Jockey @Ankit Kumar @Nick @GuardianRED @all
In a candid discussion with an insider, our @Abingdonboy got few more information tid bits
- French offering to bring some of their FrAF Rafales by mid-2018 to test the new Rafale infrastructure prior to proper Rafale induction in 2019.
- This will also allow first-hand training to few more local folks other than main trained people in France
- File is with MOD for consideration and approval
- All this is FREE OF COST and is being offered for the deep India France Relationship
- This follows with earlier offer of Rafale M for SBTF test
Apparently lot of scope here if we make a decision soon
@Picdelamirand-oil @Hellfire @halloweene @Bon Plan @nair @Tarun @randomradio @Milspec @vstol Jockey @Ankit Kumar @Nick @GuardianRED @all
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looks like the french are upping the stakes for a deeper Indo-French co-operation. is this mostly for the money? or is there some grouping of France against China?cos ultimately, the rafale will be used mostly against China and Pak.
I would say it's pure business. They are just making sure IAF is Intrested in plane and are aware of all good qualities of the system. They know their only hope of more orders is a strong push from IAF. They know who will bat for them so trying to keep intrest alive.
The cost of infrastructure is included in the deal. It is French duty to build it properly and hence they will be flying their rafales to check and test it.
It is not free but a way of being sure. France can't afford to botch up and then receive complaints from India. I don't really see any deep relation here. France is not an ally of India unless they give us ToT. These people are good in making gestures. But, real relation is shown by action, not words and gestures. ToT is that action. France didn't give ToT for Rafale or even for Scorpene submarine.
Israel is a real ally as it needs as many friends as possible and has helped time and again when India needed in a very quick and timely manner, even providing weapons on credit. The same has not been seen by French.
French are good Businessmen.
They love all their customers be it Pakistan, China or India.
What is the status of re-engineering RAFALEs to have detachable wingtip and make them fit in the elevators/lifts of the Indian IAC-1?
If you have no timely action then all the chunks of metal toys would be waste.
Problem is the next alternative is not providing ToT , even to its retiring legacy fighter.
That 75% (or more) of posts would vanish from this forum.
If you are asking for the wider world perspective, you have to tag me; I do not wish to engage with posters who have not tagged me, or where I have not been the OP.
Two points Kshitij.
Please understand. Assassination? A theory. Can you give a rationale for it? USSR got all it's objectives. It is a red herring just like SC Bose being alive.
As for others, there was no "TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER'. Has it been mentioned as such? The Khalistan issue and the Kashmir and Kamraj's? Please do read about the subversions in Punjab, Tamil Nadu and Kashmir as Indira Gandhi tried to subvert regional parties. This discussion will take the thread off course. Read about it and if you have queries, you post them in the member's section to clarify.
Also understand that I am pointing to you to look towards answering your questions through your own research. There is also the theory that Sonia Gandhi's father, an Italian soldier and POW of Russia, was 'turned' by the then NKVD and GRU along with KGB (NKVD's successor) were controlling him. As part of the same reportedly she was "placed"
That the Mitrokhin report, reportedly quoted him as stating that post 2003 elections, SVR had managed an asset at the highest echelons of Indian Governance, was again a point fuelling the above theory as Sonia Gandhi flew to Moscow just immediately upon winning the elections without much fanfare and in a low key affair.
Recall PV Narasimha Rao, one of the most dynamic and visionary yet underappreciated PM of India, got his daughter's US residency immediately after backtracking from conducting an overt nuclear test in 1995 (was it? just check the year). MMS was at Harvard and his name was already announced as FM in a French Daily even before he was appointed.
Also, there has been the infamous 'mole' in Indira's cabinet and also an intelligence report by Indian Military Intelligence, reportedly naming presently active and famous politicians who have and are receiving funds from multiple countries both friendly and adversarial.
These include politicians from across the political spectrum. So, your heading into that direction will be a Pandora's box. That is why, we have extreme compartmentalisation with most of the top leadership not aware of 'sensitive' information, which may be made available to PM on emergent requirement and not informed in routine or even as a executive brief.
There are lot of red herrings and lot of truth to it. The Technical Services Division under Gen Vk Singh was nothing new. Military Intelligence keeps tabs. But the beauty of the Indian Democracy is that Armed Forces do not have the mandate to intervene in political affairs, a policy well tested and correctly adhered to.
Recall the invite of Indira Gandhi to COAS to take over during emergency. She would have played the victim then
What I am saying is that accept that the system is penetrated by vested interests. Also understand that all do not become proxy to these interests, merely use them to promote their interests.
A quick aside: DNI had positively identified this august personage in 1972 by introducing datum known only to him due to his actual job-description, which was fed back to the naval attache positioned in a western country known to have almost complete data sharing with American intelligence. Join the dots.
Timely action depends on time. Now is not the time. Until oil runs out or severely depleted, it won't be the time
I was commenting about "deep relation" between Franc and India. Without ToT, I won't consider it any more than trade/business.
Though Welcome news.
Still Isn't this some how expected? i.e the European manufacture trying to please/accommodate the buyer? . The same was done for the Jaguars where the First 18 frames of the RAF were on loan to the IAF for the same first - hand training.
Or another example - The deviation of French Air Force Frames to Egypt Air Force to fulfill that order.
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Sir.
Somehow I missed the notification for this post.
Operational Air Mobilisation Plan (OAMP) is a constituent of the OLN or Operation Logistic Note, which is a compendium of the actual deployment logistics 'Bible' of any formation of Indian Army (and elsewhere) moving in for hot war.
The reason for A-330 was due to the requirement of mass mobilisation of troops from depth, and that will primarily be the strike corps, for undertaking offensive operations with minimal surge time.
At present, the operational requirements of air lift, are primarily being addressed by a combination of IL-76, C-17s, C-130s, An-32s and A-320s (am using them as a reference as they are primary air transport aircraft in the aviation industry in India, followed by Boeing 737-200) of the civil sector.
A-330 was meeting requirements of air induction of the forward elements of the Headquarters of the formations of the strike corps, from their peace locations, in order to enable the logistics to be well enroute by the time the troops were to begin de-training at designated spots.
C-17s were neither required at the time, nor were favored by the IAF. There is no requirement of C-17s for air transport of tanks if you want to get that angle in.
I am still very sure that the officer knew more of the situation than you.
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