IAF Chronicles - A side view of whats going on behind the closed doors in New Delhi
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It makes me afraid 
Unless you see an actual quote, treat it as misinformation.
As it stands today, the "world's largest fighter aircraft ecosystem" is not the F-35, it's the F-16.
"Lall said the F-16 provides the path to business relationships with Lockheed Martin, the only company in the world that has designed, developed and produced operational fifth generation fighter aircraft."
Screw this path and business relationship, Vivek Lall is doing his usual job of misinformation and PR to get his sales and commission.
Screw this path and business relationship, Vivek Lall is doing his usual job of misinformation and PR to get his sales and commission.
Lockheed keeps F-16 production line going with Bahrain deal
Lockheed keeps F-16 production line going with Bahrain deal
Lockheed keeps F-16 production line going with Bahrain deal
This is a proper article.
Lockheed Martin proposes making fighter jets in India, says will give unique boost to Indian industry
Proposing to manufacture custom-built F-16 fighter jets in India, American aerospace and defence company Lockheed Martin said that it will give a unique opportunity to the Indian industry to become part of the world’s largest fighter aircraft ecosystem.
Lockheed Martin proposes making fighter jets in India, says will give unique boost to Indian industry
Proposing to manufacture custom-built F-16 fighter jets in India, American aerospace and defence company Lockheed Martin said that it will give a unique opportunity to the Indian industry to become part of the world’s largest fighter aircraft ecosystem.
No, this is misinformation, a mistake someone made. What you are talking about is disinformation, where wrong info is deliberately leaked.
This is clearly just misinformation on part of the author. The new article has the correct information.
It is all about the Greens...
He is talking about 5th gen tech etc, and yet peddling 4th Gen tech to us..
He is talking about 5th gen tech etc, and yet peddling 4th Gen tech to us..
Taking into account the information contained in this article:
COLUMN: The Indian Air Force’s Tyranny Of Arithmetic
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/11/column-the-indian-air-forces-tyranny-of-arithmetic.html
And from what @PARIKRAMA tells us, namely that the IAF vigorously defended a Rafale/Tejas supply and rejected the SE, I completed the table until 2033.
COLUMN: The Indian Air Force’s Tyranny Of Arithmetic
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/11/column-the-indian-air-forces-tyranny-of-arithmetic.html
And from what @PARIKRAMA tells us, namely that the IAF vigorously defended a Rafale/Tejas supply and rejected the SE, I completed the table until 2033.
You completed it in favour of Rafale rather than Tejas despite 123 Tejas being ordered which would amount to 6 squadrons and 36 rafales were ordered amounting to 2 squadrons. Your chart say that Tejas will have 4 squadron by 2025 while Rafale will be 5 squadrons and keep increasing over years!!!Taking into account the information contained in this article:
COLUMN: The Indian Air Force’s Tyranny Of Arithmetic
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/11/column-the-indian-air-forces-tyranny-of-arithmetic.html
And from what @PARIKRAMA tells us, namely that the IAF vigorously defended a Rafale/Tejas supply and rejected the SE, I completed the table until 2033.
Good work doing such charts
Taking into account the information contained in this article:
COLUMN: The Indian Air Force’s Tyranny Of Arithmetic
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/11/column-the-indian-air-forces-tyranny-of-arithmetic.html
And from what @PARIKRAMA tells us, namely that the IAF vigorously defended a Rafale/Tejas supply and rejected the SE, I completed the table until 2033.
The Nasik plant of HAL may be kept open by ordering 2 more squadrons of Sukhois over the current already ordered.
I have taken into account what seem to be production limits. There is place for more plane if the limit is higher, we don't reach 42 squadrons with this chart!
For Rafale we can set up an assembly line in India able to produce 2 squadrons a year, and I have taken only one a year which alows some export from India too.
Taking into account the information contained in this article:
COLUMN: The Indian Air Force’s Tyranny Of Arithmetic
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/11/column-the-indian-air-forces-tyranny-of-arithmetic.html
And from what @PARIKRAMA tells us, namely that the IAF vigorously defended a Rafale/Tejas supply and rejected the SE, I completed the table until 2033.
No. The IAF is the one championing for the SE MII. It's the govt that wants to cancel the SE MII or combine that with TE MII.
‘Tejas not enough, need foreign single-engine jets’
I still don't get why people believe the govt is the one that wanted SE MII, it's impossible for that to happen. The IAF Chief himself said that SE MII was initiated because the govt said they can't afford MMRCA, so the IAF decided to go ahead with the cheaper SE option first.
There is no truth to that either.
M-2000's CPFH for spares is $3000. The PBL contract for Rafale is $10000. Their argument will be based on current costs. They will actually expect the SE MII to be as cheap as the M-2000, if not cheaper.
There is no reason to say that Rafale can be scaled up by making more production lines while Tejas can't be. The old wives tales as excuses is not reasonable. If Rafale can , so can any other plane. There is no production limit unless there is limits in technology, natural resource or manpower availability. None of this is the case with Tejas.
There is no SE deal anymore as that will be replaced with Tejas. There is little reason to buy imported planes when Indian planes can also be made and there has been enough progress technology wise that enables India to near production stage.
PBL for Rafale is 353 millions, for 36 planes and for 5 years and if we expect 250 flying hours by years it implies CPFH 7844. But it's not normal CPFH it's with a garantee for availability so you need a bigger stock of Spare for exemple.
In France CPFH of Mirage 2000 is 8500 and CPFH of Rafale is 10000, not very different. If the Mirage 2000 CPFH is only 3000 in India it has to be 3530 for Rafale, Dassault will get a good margin.
In euros.
The availability requirement for PBL is 75%. Our M-2000s manage that easily.
That rate is not guaranteed unless MII starts. Until then, the MoD and IAF will go on based on the rates signed.
From the way things are moving, the only way for SE MII to fail is if it's combined into the TE MII program. Then the Gripen and F-16 won't get shortlisted.
It's something different to manage easily a rate and to garantee it : to garantee a rate of 75% the Dassault objective is to perform a 90% rate.
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