IAF Chronicles - A side view of whats going on behind the closed doors in New Delhi
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There's no truth to that. It's all about achieving RFP requirements, not a versus competition between TE and SE MII.
The difference comes with the number of engines.
M-2000 in the IAF has operated above 80%, as much as 90%.
There are only two ways to know the price. Either a contract is signed, or there's price discovery through a tender. The first priority is obviously a signed contract.
And what is the rate signed by SE provider?
Will be found after price discovery.
Even if there's a 10% difference, the govt will consider it a saving because that will still involve tens of billions of dollars in LCC.
You forget Indian time : RFI is still not issued
RFI will go out through two separate projects, SE and TE MII. Or they will be combined into one tender. We don't know what will happen there.
The objectives are two-fold. SE MII and LCA will fill up the numbers. TE MII will fill up the capability gap. So we will see 237 jets through SE MII and LCA and we will see about 120 jets through TE MII. Rafale's objective will be to be better than the Gripen and F-16, not cheaper. That's why the requirements have been bifurcated.
You can say that the SE MII RFP requirements will be much lower than a new TE MII RFP. The objective will be to get minimum capabilities (M-2000++ capabilities) at a cheaper cost through SE MII while aiming for Su-30MKI++ capabilities for TE MII.
If it turns out that Rafale MII is cheaper than Gripen MII, which I still believe is impossible, then it will affect future orders, not the initial orders. So if the SE MII is signed, then the initial contract order will be realised for sure.
AMCA??Taking into account the information contained in this article:
COLUMN: The Indian Air Force’s Tyranny Of Arithmetic
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/11/column-the-indian-air-forces-tyranny-of-arithmetic.html
And from what @PARIKRAMA tells us, namely that the IAF vigorously defended a Rafale/Tejas supply and rejected the SE, I completed the table until 2033.
The Tejas awfull developpment time may raise some question about the real FOC of a yet totally embryonic AMCA.
And why do you think I would like you to buy a lot of Rafale? For the French trade balance? Airbus has more than 5000 aircraft in its order book each worth more than a Rafale. For Dassault to earn more money? Dassault is a billionaire who already earns enough money.
No the interest to export Rafale is that it allows to easily keep the assembly line open for a long time, that is necessary for the equipment of the French Air Force, which does need 6 to 8 Rafale only per year, which is industrially insufficient.
But with the 84 Rafale already sold at export, we have no problems for at least 10 years.
So if we want to sell you more Rafale, this is because we know that this aircraft will suit you perfectly and that it is one of the most economical solutions you can find.
In France with 150 Rafale we have replaced 593 old planes and the French Air Force has never been stronger or more capable than today, as shown by our simultaneous operations in Africa, the Middle East, and the Baltic countries while ensuring nuclear and sovereign missions on the French territory.
He is not that petty.
That's a post-Cold War limited budget option for France. If you recall, the actual program requirement was 294 and could have easily climbed even higher. In our case, we need greater numbers and all that extra capability that comes with it. So the two situations are not comparable. You don't have your Soviet Union anymore, but we have our Soviet Union to our north.
Nah. When it comes to the air force, it won't even be a fight.
I don't know why they have an air force anymore. But they have to keep up appearances.
At the beginning 320 !
The last defense white book said 225. But I think a new one could change it to 245.
And the first Rafale will be replaced before the last of the 225 or 245 be delivered, so a total production for France of 225 to ... 280/300 ?
North Korea is a first rank potential ennemy for USA, not for Europe.
Russia remain our main threat in EU, with terrorism.
He was talking about Pakistan.
Had the Union still existed today, the Rafale would have crossed those numbers by now.
I'm sure Dassault already suggested to India to co developp a Rafale XL, with KareviM88 and some internal bays.
Yes, and the role it'd be playing too. Rafale and the proposed AMCA have a lot in common. A serious push from the Indian side should be made to develop next-generation fighter together (Franco-Germany FCAS program could be an option for joint-development)
There is no point in joint development. Without ability to manufacture jets at will, there is no point making a fighter. Joint development rarely involves full ToT. The AMCA and LCA Mk2 will be sharing a lot of subsystems and he
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