IAF Chronicles - A side view of whats going on behind the closed doors in New Delhi
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Pakistan is getting huge funds for Islamic Military Alliance. That is how they are buying so many defence equipments from foreign countries despite having serious trade deficit. Pakistan has forex deficit which is 10 billion dollars. Its trade and Remittance comes to 42-43 billion dollars whereas import is 55 billion dollars. FDI is minimal at 1 billion dollars or less. Pakistan definitely has other income sources
Presently producing rate of Rafale is slightly above 2/month '(Trappier talking to deputies few days ago). He hopes 100 to 200 Rafale exports in India.
If Islamic Military alliance would have been paying large amounts then the Pakistanis would have
declared it as an achievement
They are sending some 3000 soldiers for the earlier debts that they owe to the Saudis
Imports and Remittances are supplemented by Loans
Even if they have some more hidden sources such as Drugs trade or Chinese secret assistance ; it is not enough to prevent them from getting in a Debt trap
Scrap MMRCA 2.0
Bring in 3 Squadrons of PAKFA (when we have numerical problems, why would you want PAKFA to replace MiG-29? also what about your stupid *censored* theory about medium weight and heavy weight plane etc, why you want a HMRCA to replace MMRCA like MiG-29.
Best option would be (and going by roles)
order LCA Mk1A to build up nos, these are going to be used as interceptors and Short range MRCA (I am not going to talk of stupid *censored* weight class as thats useless, and IAF has tried its best to manipulate to try and get Rafale nothing else)
Order 3 Squadrons of Su-57 MKI, this should be enough to counter any chinese threat.
Discuss the possibility of upgrade of Su-30 MKI, either with Russian or Israeli help, these might help to get the number game in our favour by getting more capability.
Set timelines for LCA MK2 and AMCA.. and importantly, rather than developing the planes, focus more on developing technologies as those can be used on other planes that we operate.
Bring in 3 Squadrons of PAKFA (when we have numerical problems, why would you want PAKFA to replace MiG-29? also what about your stupid *censored* theory about medium weight and heavy weight plane etc, why you want a HMRCA to replace MMRCA like MiG-29.
Best option would be (and going by roles)
order LCA Mk1A to build up nos, these are going to be used as interceptors and Short range MRCA (I am not going to talk of stupid *censored* weight class as thats useless, and IAF has tried its best to manipulate to try and get Rafale nothing else)
Order 3 Squadrons of Su-57 MKI, this should be enough to counter any chinese threat.
Discuss the possibility of upgrade of Su-30 MKI, either with Russian or Israeli help, these might help to get the number game in our favour by getting more capability.
Set timelines for LCA MK2 and AMCA.. and importantly, rather than developing the planes, focus more on developing technologies as those can be used on other planes that we operate.
Why not see the capability of each plane. What does Jaguar bring that is unique to it and it can be used by IAF?
If it does not bring something unique then it should be one of the first on chopping block.
The battlefields are changing, and perhaps there is nothing unique that Jaguar brings in, maybe Su-30MKI can also handle the role that Jaguar can do.
Just to give an example during WW2 Americans had a lot of dive bombers, are the Americans using dive bombers now? No because there is no need for it, missiles can handle it, Please look at each plane from this prospective
If a plane brings in unique capability and this capability is paramount to IAF then that plane perhaps has to be retained and the replacement if developed should be developed with this capability in mind
If it does not bring something unique then it should be one of the first on chopping block.
The battlefields are changing, and perhaps there is nothing unique that Jaguar brings in, maybe Su-30MKI can also handle the role that Jaguar can do.
Just to give an example during WW2 Americans had a lot of dive bombers, are the Americans using dive bombers now? No because there is no need for it, missiles can handle it, Please look at each plane from this prospective
If a plane brings in unique capability and this capability is paramount to IAF then that plane perhaps has to be retained and the replacement if developed should be developed with this capability in mind
The Jaguar with DARIN 3 and AESA is an excellent plane
They might also get a new engine
The newer air frames will easily last beyond 2030
Last year we sent Jaguars Half way down the Globe to Alaska for Red Flag exercise
Jaguar is also capable of Low level Radar avoiding Attacks
There is a very easy answer to that: orders full until 2025. (Which is a prolem of "rich" maker btw, noone complains except AdA). Result? Any medieum size order would ford=ce DA (i) to accelerate even more production in France (possible, but economically unsustainable on the long term) (ii) even for a not that big order, greatly increase capabilities in INdia so as tu fulfill orders (from India AND other countries). win/win situation, because it would also kind of "engage" India with further orders. I'll see Trappier the 8th for yearly conference, will try to dig but difficult to get sharp answer.
So silly. Why are you bringing in weight categories into roles? The MKIs replaced Mig-21s. So what's surprising about PAK FA replacing Mig-29s?
Jaguars are strike aircraft. If we are to replace them, we need more Rafales or AMCAs.
You are speaking to the wrong person. I have been telling this from a long time but the response always have been like a random radio-
It is impossible to make Tejas quickly.
It will take 2 decades to make AMCA
Su30 is not operationally decent.
Indian economy will double and make it easier to import.
Rafales will be ordered in 200.
Jaguar is extremely obsolete and even be taken out with MANPADS. Jaguar is slow, has low maneuverability and is fit only for CAS roles. Air-Air or Ground attack roles are not possible.
Jaguar must be retired quickly. Even MiG27 and MiG21 have to be retired.
The best way us to manufacture Su30 ir Tejas. Even Tejas MK1 can replace these planes rather easily
You mean to say that Su-30 MKI are not capable of conducting Strikes?
I thought you had more knowledge than this
I thought you had more knowledge than this
I brought the weight category because it does appeal to people like you.. when you talk MMRCA 2.0
MKIs can replace MiG-21s, Russians themselves did that, its all about having a defence doctrine and then arming yourself as per this,
Russians which were once the biggest users of MiG-21 does not use it as its mainstay..
IAF does not really have a clear doctrine (it showed during Kargil) IAF is only reactive air force.
MKIs can replace MiG-21s, Russians themselves did that, its all about having a defence doctrine and then arming yourself as per this,
Russians which were once the biggest users of MiG-21 does not use it as its mainstay..
IAF does not really have a clear doctrine (it showed during Kargil) IAF is only reactive air force.
Strike air craft is no longer a specialist plane, MRCA means a plane which can handle multiple jobs, just need to arm the plane like that, Fortunately we now have Su-30 MKI which can be armed with Brahmos and Nirbhay in the future, so what actually is the need of a dedicated strike plane? We are in era where we are looking for Multi role Tanker Transport thus we are trying to use planes efficiently so that we need lesser nos of planes and those planes we have can be used for multiple roles and thus reduce the logistical footprint, and yet you are still in the era of dedicated planes, Sometimes you do sound like a joker, at one point, you peddle Rafale as an MRCA. but yet with all the capabilities shown by Su-30 MKI you are not able to credit it as having Multi role capability... seems dassault did a good work on you
So what? Dude... We have 120+ Jags. What do you want to do? Replace them with non-existent MKIs when the Jags are good for another 20 years?
I thought you had more common sense than this.
I make it a point not to discuss with people who are generally clueless about everything.
It doesn't matter how good the MKI is, we need Rafale.
I do not fully agree with Jaguars should be retired, but yes, we have more capable planes for Strike roles which really do not have limitation,.
Some people talk how important it is to fly low to avoid detections .. Thats what MANPADS QRSAMS and CIWS are there for, Its not like only we have those systems and our neighbours dont.
Jaguars will be relevant not for deep strike, but for CAS roles, where the capability of a plane as a dog fighter would be irrelevant as we should ensure air dominance with Su-30 MKIs. As per me, Jaguar stopped being irrelevant as the reilable strike aircraft when they could not be used in Kargil. MiG-21 and 27 should be retired but based on their life. Since most aare well past their retirement age, they should be,
The best would be to focus on LCA MK1A as the premium fighter or backbone of IAF.
Some people talk how important it is to fly low to avoid detections .. Thats what MANPADS QRSAMS and CIWS are there for, Its not like only we have those systems and our neighbours dont.
Jaguars will be relevant not for deep strike, but for CAS roles, where the capability of a plane as a dog fighter would be irrelevant as we should ensure air dominance with Su-30 MKIs. As per me, Jaguar stopped being irrelevant as the reilable strike aircraft when they could not be used in Kargil. MiG-21 and 27 should be retired but based on their life. Since most aare well past their retirement age, they should be,
The best would be to focus on LCA MK1A as the premium fighter or backbone of IAF.
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