India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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ok. what do you think they will do in return? possible cancellation of all spares? possible sanctions for anyone giving you f-16 spares? is that possible - if - hypothetically its proven that you guys used the f-16's where you were explicitly prohibited to be used?
you have 45 f-16's in use currently.
You will still need those damn F-16s 15 years from now given how your economy is going. They will not need you anymore then.
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That is a very difficult question to answer as information will not be available off hand.
But I highly doubt it. The IAF had aircrafts vectoring in about the same time the PAF was approaching LC. Would not make sense to fire a BVRAAM as distances were well within the envelope of WVRAAM and a mark being hit beyond the 10 km zone on their side would have been an aggression on our part.
AIM-120C also has a self destruct mechanism wherein an armed missile will explode in near proximity to a target at the fag end of its range if it does not find the target.
Is it a reference to this? There are two main reasons why the situation is different.
1. It was shot over a training range, so it was lost in the wilderness.
2. It was assumed the missile self-destroyed in flight, so its debris would have scattered over a wide area, but they searched for it just in case it didn't, as a safety measure.
Bhai jii , nothing is forever and there is an end. But to adopt and survive is the key.
In 1857 my great grand dad declared jihad against the British and got killed. Then his grandson, my grand dad was a captain in British army and fought the Japanese for the British in Burma.
Point being, there is no such thing as friends forever or foes forever. Times change and so do the needs.
There will always be new friends and new foes.
Anyway I am now more interested in PSL than this India Pakistan war which has for now ended.
Until next time I will be watching cricket.
The clown here doesn't realise more than the actual missile casing, it's really the other stuff shown in the presser from the AIM-120 where the US (as seen fit by India) will be/already are being roped in and given information on.
No you cannot buy that stuff on ebay.
Ofcourse keep on hoping. Sure as hell nothing is permanent. That said there are things which are fragile, then there are things that are robust and lastly there are thing that are 'anti-fragile'. Pakistan is fragile as hell and will collapse with a very gentle push from India.
Our goal, as someone here much wiser than me has commented, is to enable every Pakistani destroy Pakistan because you folks are your own worst enemy. Inshallah we will win! Ameen!
Till then enjoy PSL. Even if you are the only one in the stadium..
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OT, but your Great Grand Dad's grandson is your father, not your grand dad, skipped a gen there mate.
Mate, lets have sensible discussion lets not take it the desi way. I know nothing prevents you from saying that mangled piece of metal was 3D printed!
@safriz
our spokesperson said:
1) we hit targets in Balakot (KPK) - you guys agreed we hit KPK but not the targets we said we did (so we did attack Pakistan and not the disputed area both agree)
2) Your complete airspace was shut down for a few days, and Lahore airport was shut down for even longer. Amritsar airport was shut down for a few hours
3) Your last ISPR call says you had one pilot that you returned. so that puts out casualties at 0.
these three we can agree that are common between both accounts - if we keep aside the fanboy stuff?
our spokesperson said:
1) we hit targets in Balakot (KPK) - you guys agreed we hit KPK but not the targets we said we did (so we did attack Pakistan and not the disputed area both agree)
2) Your complete airspace was shut down for a few days, and Lahore airport was shut down for even longer. Amritsar airport was shut down for a few hours
3) Your last ISPR call says you had one pilot that you returned. so that puts out casualties at 0.
these three we can agree that are common between both accounts - if we keep aside the fanboy stuff?
I am damn sure they will defend saying that missile was fired in self-defence. They will repeat it endlessly and claim high moral ground, reasoning & logic be damned.
yes ,why not? SA is finding that its dependence on US is holding back on achieving its objectives , remember the khashoggi episode. They want to go full hog on yemen war, the SA prince will not hesitate to kick the bucket if it gives them an edge on Iran. SA will break the rules and will try to appease the west with more contracts.
India just gives a good economic reason while Pakistan provides more than that. Pakistan's nuke & proximity to create trouble for Iran is good enough reason for them to do it. Not to mention they also provide men for SA to fight war in yemen. What is that best India can do if SA supplies Pakistan with fighter jets? Literally nothing other than scaling down our relations after some protest.
They are still routing even international overflights in their western corridor still (and most affected airlines still simply prefer the arabian sea corridor + India)...and only select aircraft are allowed to deviate to land in Lahore on schedules routes.
According to Dawn, Lahore will only be back to normal 5 days from now:
Flights partially resume at Lahore airport - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
The notice said that flight operations at Lahore are expected to resume completely by March 8, 11:59pm (GMT).
@safriz
what will be a win for India? ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
1) Masood Azhar caught/put on terrorist list/tried or dead (any of this)
2) LeT,JeM and the likes get international "Attention" in getting cornered and destroyed
3) China unable to stop Hafiz saeed/Masood Azhar from being in the terrorist link
Icing on the cake - but not necessarily important for long term goals:
1) Showing f-16 was downed by IAF by a MiG
2) Getting US to take action against Pak for using F-16s without approvals
the sad part is: none of the above mean a "loss" for pakistan. and you guys still want to fight it out, close your airspace, destroy your economy, sell yourselves to the chinese, the americans, the turks whoever you can get.
but in your blind requirement in "supporting Kashmir with political and moral routes" what has Pakistan become? what is the value in continuing this?
it took posturing of the IN and IA to close your airspace - read again - just "posturing".
you know what flights were going into Amritsar during that time? flights from goa, kerala etc. thats right - people were even partying or holidaying while you guys closed your airspace and even essential services couldnt get through the air.
when you said to OIC "choose India or Pak" - they chose India!
and none of this required you to hand over any of Pakistan land or hurt Pakistan forces or civilians. all because you want to protect Hafiz Saeed, Masod Azhar etc, you closed your airspace for almost a week. What are your priorities? essential services to your countrymen, getting your economy back? or losing all of that to support deranged jihadis who can hit you back and create Lal Masjid type scenarios?
what will be a win for India? ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
1) Masood Azhar caught/put on terrorist list/tried or dead (any of this)
2) LeT,JeM and the likes get international "Attention" in getting cornered and destroyed
3) China unable to stop Hafiz saeed/Masood Azhar from being in the terrorist link
Icing on the cake - but not necessarily important for long term goals:
1) Showing f-16 was downed by IAF by a MiG
2) Getting US to take action against Pak for using F-16s without approvals
the sad part is: none of the above mean a "loss" for pakistan. and you guys still want to fight it out, close your airspace, destroy your economy, sell yourselves to the chinese, the americans, the turks whoever you can get.
but in your blind requirement in "supporting Kashmir with political and moral routes" what has Pakistan become? what is the value in continuing this?
it took posturing of the IN and IA to close your airspace - read again - just "posturing".
you know what flights were going into Amritsar during that time? flights from goa, kerala etc. thats right - people were even partying or holidaying while you guys closed your airspace and even essential services couldnt get through the air.
when you said to OIC "choose India or Pak" - they chose India!
and none of this required you to hand over any of Pakistan land or hurt Pakistan forces or civilians. all because you want to protect Hafiz Saeed, Masod Azhar etc, you closed your airspace for almost a week. What are your priorities? essential services to your countrymen, getting your economy back? or losing all of that to support deranged jihadis who can hit you back and create Lal Masjid type scenarios?
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