India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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randomradio said:
@vstol Jockey

Was there a bigger air combat scenario than this after the Vietnam War? Say, the Sino-Vietnamese War?

IIRC, the Israelis were the last to fight a large air battle. And it's possible something similar may have happened between China and Vietnam in the 90s.
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Larger battles have been fought in terms of number of sorties. But no one had such large number of aircraft in one single engagement. Bekka valley battles raged on for three days but the total number of aircraft at any given time was never more than 16-18. Here we had 32 of them in air at the same time and engaging. This makes it the single largest air combat engagement after WW2.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Larger battles have been fought in terms of number of sorties. But no one had such large number of aircraft in one single engagement. Bekka valley battles raged on for three days but the total number of aircraft at any given time was never more than 16-18. Here we had 32 of them in air at the same time and engaging. This makes it the single largest air combat engagement after WW2.
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I love the term "non-military action" though. It has tongue in cheek kind of taste to it.
That said, I wish we had better planes for CAP role and better ground based air defences. All of those are from 1950s.
 
Notsuperstitious said:
He is full of shit. Doesn't have ANY principle or position. Comes up with self serving rants all the time. Makes rules up. Makes facts up. Hypocrisy is his middle name. Self awareness he treats like bacon.

Idiots such as him should be kicked out for trolling.

When u show his terrorism he talks about his "cultural bond" with Kashmiris, because LOGIC is Ibliss child. BC such bullshit only belongs to his madrassa. Not here.
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No kashmiri goes to Mumbai or Bangalore shooting random indians.
They only fight uniformed, armed and trained Indian forces in Kashmir.
How is that terrorism?
 
safriz said:
And my honest opinion is it depends on your definition of victory or defeat. Which may be different from mine.
The names you mentioned may be black listed or killed and it may be a victory to you, but to us it's immaterial. Their organisations will continue to function under some other name and different leaders.
Again I am not supporting or condemning anything or anyone, just mentioning facts.
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safriz said:
It won't. Anything linked with our support for Kashmiri freedom won't stop, just the people running those forms of support will change.
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what did that get you is the question. You support kashmir through all these ways. look where that got you. as I said, India's mere "posturing" shut down your airspace. your economy is nothing to write home about, you are selling your lands and trying to live off the tolls/rents (CPEC). the more losses you get, the more jihadists you get, the only reason you are relevant is when US needs to wage a war in Afg of if Russia is in Afg etc.

safriz said:
We are historically, culturally and religiously connected to kashmiri people and feel their pain.
If Indian armed forces shoot them with pallet guns, blinding them for life, and then think nobody in Pakistan will get angry on that, then India is wrong.
It's been 70 years India has hundreds of thousands of Military personnel in Kashmir and fights Pakistan on almost daily basis. But our support for Kashmiri people is ongoing and hasn't stopped.
Put it this way, if a Hindu girl gets abducted in Pakistan, then far more indians protest than Pakistanis. Because you share religion, culture and many things with them. Same are kashmiri people for us.
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Historically, culturally you are connected to Kashmir? the whole of Pakistan is historically, culturally connected to india - the religion is not unique to Pakistan. no religion originated in Pakistan, the culture of Pakistan is shared mostly all through subcontinent and you want to call this a Hindu/Muslim war, it isnt. There are tons of Muslims in India who share same religion and culture with you but are NOT pakistanis.

also, if you are that desperate to unite with people of shared culture and history, there is a much simpler way - just call yourself India.

its going to happen part by part anyways in a few hundred years..
 
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safriz said:
LOL.. Getting angry?
Since I don't want to give you high blood pressure, I will leave the thread. Doesn't bother me.
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Not angry. BS averse. Just like this blog. Just unlike that blog. Just unlike what Pakistan is & stands for. No need to run away. Unless you have nothing to back up your claims. Which leaves running away as the only option apart from surrendering of course. Both of which comes naturally to you .
 
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Shajida Khan said:
I love the term "non-military action" though. It has tongue in cheek kind of taste to it.
That said, I wish we had better planes for CAP role and better ground based air defences. All of those are from 1950s.
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Pak uses army regulars to train jihadists and calls them "non-state actors"
we use our military to target those confused souls and call it "non-military action"

so every "non-state actor" residing in Pakistan, will invite a "non-military action". sounds perfectly fair for me.
 
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Paro said:
Any significance of the move?
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about 4-5 hours back - when it was still night, this happened:
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It stayed on course towards ocean. some call it the missing malaysian aircraft.. others call it confounded aircraft.. and others just say - we are waiting for Pak to lower their guard..
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Bharath said:
about 4-5 hours back - when it was still night, this happened:
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It stayed on course towards ocean. some call it the missing malaysian aircraft.. others call it confounded aircraft.. and others just say - we are waiting for Pak to lower their guard..
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There is another one on the coast of Jamnagar without a call sign at this movement.
 
Shajida Khan said:
I was visiting F-16.net sometimes back yesterday. One very pertinent and troubling question which was asked by learned folks over there was how did India find the debris of AIM120C-5 so fast? They cited one lost AIM120C in Europe which entire NATO had searched for long but could not find it. So they had two hypothesis behind it:-

1. We lost one more A/C which fell into J&K. Or one more A/C was hit but it returned to base. Hence the missile remained lodged in the airframe or its debris fell near the A/C airframe debris.
2. They believe F-16 were there to escort the attackers and operated from behind 10 KM into LoC. PAF is trying to avoid pushing the second A/C angle because it will force them to admit they used F-16 against India.
3. India is only showing missile because otherwise we will have to admit losing one more A/C.

The other possiblity is that India has recovered the debris of F-16 and hence Missile debris with labels so much intact. Why the heck we are not making it public is beyond me then...

Ofcourse being American, they were convinced that PAF had to use F-16s because Chinese BVRs are worthless so only F-16 can be used to infiltrate and beat Indian CAP.
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Seems like f16 fanboys are hurt pretty badly and are losing it completely 😂

If our aircraft was hit as PAF claim it would have impossible for us to hide even the film of getting it shot forget hiding the wreckage, we are not a security state like Pakistan and people don't go missing here just for asking questions forget exposing army. Heck even Digvijay would have found that with help of Ajai Shukla and Ravish Kumar.

What kind of missile it could be that even after striking air frame it can't get the jet down and itself remain hinged to airframe!

We have seen these missiles having proximity fuse, it's most likely it hit the flares or just missed and target and exploded in proximity. That would have narrowed down the search parameters to 2-3 sq Km.

The area where this happened is not uninhabitable and it's not remotely possible to hide our wreckage from villagers also it helps us in finding missile.

And that some kind of face saving by not showing f16 looks absurd, we already forced the hand of Pakistan by publicly claiming we shot it down and handing over the evidences to US to ground the entire feet. I am not a combat expert but even I can see so many holes in it. That EU exercises happen on inhabitable area, easy to lose anything there, more so if you have no idea where it went. Here we have populated areas all along.
 
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safriz said:
Pakistan supports Kashmiri freedom since 1947 on all levels. You call it terrorism, we disagree. Each to their own.
Not targeting you but I know I am in talking to a crowd of bored school or college boys who think everything is exactly as NDTV told them, but reality may be different.
Kashmiris don't want to be part of India since 1947 and no amount of force will change that.
Likewise no amount of bullying or wars from India will stop Pakistani support for kashmiris.
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Pakistan supports Kashmiri freedom since 1947 on all levels

- And this is how Pakistan support Kashmiri freedom

35000 Kashmiries including Muslim, Hindus and Sikhs were killed by Pakistan sponsored tribal invaders. Only in Muzaffarabad, about 1,600 women and children were lodged in Amor Camp on 24th October 1947. Killing, rapping woman and murdering innocent children, by the tribal invaders is the most crucial component of this tragedy.

read more here at ... VICTIMS OF MASSACRE, 22nd OCTOBER 1947 - Black Day
 
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