India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[NKVD]

Should give the credit where it is due..... ISPR and propaganda gang successfully won the perception war .... There is no doubt in ant Pakistani minds that only trees were damaged in balakot.....There is no doubt in their mind that they have shot down more than 1 aircraft and bombed Indian military installation and India could do a bull......

Where as when it comes to India the IAF and GoI is struggling to prove some morons that we actually hit balakot......Yesterday saw someone asking proof of death of terrorists... that too Aadhar card..... Not an ordinary man by the way.....

Actually they are repeating one of the most bizzare tactical mistake they committed in the past in 1965 which resulted in 71

Hope IA don't follow Foot steps of ISPR

Don't know what perception war they won

We bombed there Territory called there nuclear buff
And maintained our agressive stance

No power in world critized India for Violation of Pakistani's airpace and bombing there mainland territory in KPK

That opens Up a new dimensions for Us for our options Against state like pakistan

Let them believe they won perception war hope it will let the gain another bailout package from IMF 14 the Time in a row.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

The dis owning of the PAF pilot will do wonders for the morale of Young PAF pilots

where dd you get this?

This was posted in Bharat rakshak yesterday itself

 

[The enlightened]

when did you come to that conclusion?

From the fact that China has repeatedly backed Pakistan in every single International forum and protected it in the UNSC with it's veto every frickin time.

This was posted in Bharat rakshak yesterday itself

Unnecessary conjecture without any supporting evidence. Just knowing what the name of some pilot doesn't mean he was the one that was shot down.

 

[The Deterrent]

You can’t compare Rdx with a smart warhead.

Oh yes you can when you have a 2000lbs munition. Prove to me that a 2000lbs bombs has ONLY 100-120lbs of whatever explosive.

Forget everything else. Did you hear the audio clips in this article? What is your explanation for the audio clip?
Jaish-e-Mohammed admits Indian attack on Balakot, urges Pakistanis to join Kashmir jihad

https://theprint.in/defence/jaish-e...rges-pakistanis-to-join-kashmir-jihad/200583/
The person is just saying that we've been attacked (as anyone would if 4x 2000lbs bombs went off 200m away). He didn't acknowledge any causalities or damage. As for the latest emerging audios, I'm surprised they didn't use the word "Janaab" this time. Any intel person worth his salt would consider that the people in that region do not speak Urdu with a Punjabi accent. If this is India's "proof" for eliminating terrorists, I'd say that the new Intelligence Warfare stuff is being justly introduced.

This is what you said:

And?

Many of these individuals won't have a place to hide as surveillance capability gets better, if these individuals are considering staying in India. They will all be bagged and tagged, meaning most PA officers are already well-known to the Indian security establishment. These are not anonymous, faceless individuals. Not to mention, you can expect the Indo-Pak border to be sealed anyway, so no refugees will be allowed to spill into India.

Dismembered PA factions are going to be useless as long as they have a base for shelter. Do you really think India will allow the remnants a base? Even Syria is finally destroying all the remnant bases now. There's going to be no demilitarised zone in Pakistan or Afghanistan for them. China will have to host them, which is iffy at best.

So no, they are not going to be the kind of threat you think they will be.

Size and weight of nukes will make it difficult to carry them around. And it's difficult to hide them as well. The security establishment will have various ways to deal with a True Lies kind of situation. And our country will survive a few explosions here and there. You have to think about what's been gained from this.

Everything works out SO well on paper, doesn't it? In my opinion you could sell this to some producer. Make some money on the side while you're at it.

Is this a veiled request for an invitation to Republic TV's debates?

Maayyyybbeeee.

 

[The enlightened]

Don't know what perception war they won

They won the perception war in that nobody outside of India (or Russia for that matter) thinks that we shot down an F-16 or successfully bombed our targets.

The present gag going around is that India was humiliated and Pakistan scored a major diplomatic victory with the release of the Wing Cdr.

These people will ultimately be the ones with eggs on their faces when the reality of the lost F-16 eventually comes out as well as when ever GOI releases videos of the strikes. Or NOT

 

[randomradio]

And?

Nothing. Just quoted what you said there, so that I could reply to it. It was meant for others, so I don't look like I was talking to the air.

Everything works out SO well on paper, doesn't it? In my opinion you could sell this to some producer. Make some money on the side while you're at it.

But what I said is more realistic than your story.

Your story has already been turned into a Hollywood blockbuster.
True Lies - Wikipedia
Aziz reveals he has smuggled stolen MIRV nuclear warheads into the country via antique statues shipped by Juno, and threatens to detonate them in major U.S. cities unless the U.S. military leaves the Persian Gulf.

India already knows the name and faces of Pak officers, and vice versa.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Look at his badge, it is written Shabaz

no- we need better confirmation.

 

[nair]

They won the perception war in that nobody outside of India (or Russia for that matter) thinks that we shot down an F-16 or successfully bombed our targets.

That is when everyone (I mean international community) beleieved Twitter and what DG ISPR said. If you meant common people yes you may be right.... But be rest assured everyone involved in deescalation know pretty well what exactly happened and they also knew what is going to happen.... everything is not put out for fanboys like us....

 

[The enlightened]

Oh yes you can when you have a 2000lbs munition. Prove to me that a 2000lbs bombs has ONLY 100-120lbs of whatever explosive.

2000lbs will leave a massive crater that should be easily discernible and in case of permanent structures - impossible to repair/hide in such a short time.

So where are the target structures and how many bombs have they been targeted with? Do you have this information?

Has GOI released its list of targets? And munitions used?

 

[The enlightened]

That is when everyone (I mean international community) beleieved Twitter and what DG ISPR said. If you meant common people yes you may be right.... But be rest assured everyone involved in deescalation know pretty well what exactly happened and they also knew what is going to happen.... everything is not put out for fanboys like us....

Yes of course, the USAF/USG would know about the lost F16 as well as whomsoever we shared our data with. The public perception is quite different and that is the perception war we seem to have currently lost.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Oh yes you can when you have a 2000lbs munition. Prove to me that a 2000lbs bombs has ONLY 100-120lbs of whatever explosive.

The person is just saying that we've been attacked (as anyone would if 4x 2000lbs bombs went off 200m away). He didn't acknowledge any causalities or damage. As for the latest emerging audios, I'm surprised they didn't use the word "Janaab" this time. Any intel person worth his salt would consider that the people in that region do not speak Urdu with a Punjabi accent. If this is India's "proof" for eliminating terrorists, I'd say that the new Intelligence Warfare stuff is being justly introduced.


And?


Everything works out SO well on paper, doesn't it? In my opinion you could sell this to some producer. Make some money on the side while you're at it.


Maayyyybbeeee.

he clearly says between Min 5 and 7- India did not attack any agencies, but those places where Islamic students got ready for Jihad in kashmir.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Yes of course, the USAF/USG would know about the lost F16 as well as whomsoever we shared our data with. The public perception is quite different and that is the perception war we seem to have currently lost.

You think the US will wait for us to share any data?- The humit is so strong that by the time their operation was completed the US would have found out everything there is no know about it...including @The Deterrent if an F 16 pilot farted while flying those jets. Why would India make a joke of itself by lying if we know that the US already know the true case? Unlike Pakistan India wants a seat at the big table. We will not embarass ourselves and dent our own credibility by lying about something we know the americans can easily valiadte.

 

[nair]

Yes of course, the USAF/USG would know about the lost F16 as well as whomsoever we shared our data with. The public perception is quite different and that is the perception war we seem to have currently lost.

If GoI is not worried too much on this perception war then that speaks volume....be reat assured this is not over.....Not yet....

 

[The enlightened]

If GoI is not worried too much on this perception war then that speaks volume....be reat assured this is not over.....Not yet....

That's neither here nor there.

GOI didn't release any evidence on Uri and most of our target audience still think that nothing serious happened.

 

[Shekhar Singh]

On a lighter note. For the people who know Hindi.

एक बड़ी खबर

कुछ दिनों से हमारी पड़ोसन सर जमीने पाक गर्भ से है, ये खबर तो आपको पता ही है।

गत कुछ दिनों से पाकिस्तान को दर्द की शिकायत बढ़ती जा रही है। जिसे देखते हुए विदेश यात्रा पर गये हुए डाक्टर डोभाल से सम्पर्क किया गया है।

डाक्टर डोभाल ने कल रात सोनोग्राफी की रिपोर्ट देखकर बताया कि बच्चे जुड़वा होने वाले है। पहले की रिपोर्ट में सिर्फ बलोचिस्तान था, परन्तु कल की रिपोर्ट में सिंध भी आया है।

ये सुनकर एक तरफ तो भारत (पिता) में खुशी की लहर है, वहीं दूसरी ओर चीन (पाकिस्तान के पीहर वालें) नाराज और दुखी है।

चीन का कहना है कि पाकिस्तान काफी कमजोर और बूढ़ा हो चुका है। प्रथम बच्चे (बंग्लादेश) के जन्म को 47 साल बीत चुके है। इस बीच काफी रक्तस्राव के कारण नये बच्चो और वो भी जुड़वा होने से जच्चा पाकिस्तान की जान को खतरा है।

डाक्टर डोभाल का कहना है कि वो चीन की बातों से सहमत है परन्तु समय अधिक बीत जाने के कारण गर्भपात अब संभव नही है।

पहले भी जब पाकिस्तान बार-बार कश्मीरी सेव खाने की जिद कर रहा था, तब किसी ने ध्यान नही दिया। उससे ये समस्या और बढ़ गई है।

जुड़वा बच्चे होने से डिलीवरी नार्मल होने की संभावना घट गयी है। डाक्टर डोभाल का कहना है की जरूरत पड़ने पर सीज़ेरियन आपरेशन किया जायेगा।

अभी आपरेशन का समय निश्चित नही हुआ है। पर ये तो तय है कि जल्द ही पड़ोस में किलकारी गूंजने वाली है।

बताया जा रहा है कि नवजात शिशुओं के कमजोर स्वास्थ्य को देखते हुए, उन्हे कुछ दिन डाक्टर डोभाल अपनी कड़ी निगरानी में रखेंगे।

मूल लेखक का पता नहीं ।

 

[nair]

GOI didn't release any evidence on Uri and most of our target audience still think that nothing serious happened.

Who is the target audience??? PA?? They counted the body so they know well what happened and how hard was it... Pakistani qwam??? They are audience of ISPR

 

[Guynextdoor]

If GoI is not worried too much on this perception war then that speaks volume....be reat assured this is not over.....Not yet....

yes. The strike back will pick up after the elections are over.

 

[The enlightened]

Who is the target audience??? PA?? They counted the body so they know well what happened and how hard was it... Pakistani qwam??? They are audience of ISPR

'Neutral observers'

 

[_Anonymous_]

'Neutral observers'

The neutral observers consists of the lay people and the opinionated press - the very same ones who declared Trump would never win the nomination, having won the nomination he'd never win the presidency and after his having won it, they're doing their best to undermine him. Of course Trump is supporting them in their quest. Ditto for Modi back home minus his helping a similar press in their attempts to undermine him.

The ones who ought to know - the diplomats and their respective foreign offices, their governments, their militaries, the security experts, the think tanks are already in the know and have derived the right conclusions.

Hence, I've always been one to advocate the release of such evidence to back up the government's claims. If only to put Pakistan into a tighter spot and let them raise the ante. That way, you can squeeze them more. It also shuts up the opposition and doesn't give them a toehold into the doorway.

The link below captures this sentiment beautifully.


Hard Lessons from Pulwama to Balakot and Beyond



Quoting the penultimate paragraph from this excellent article -


Second, coverage in papers of record such as the New York Times and the Washington Post repeated the tired false equivalence that equated India—the victim—with Pakistan—the perpetrator. Editorials and assessments of Western commentators applauded Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan for his speech which they deemed ‘conciliatory’ despite the fact that it was anything but. Similarly, editorials calling for a ‘resolution of Kashmir’, all of which demonstrate an impoverished understanding of history, also rewarded Pakistan because they seemed to imply that Pakistan has defensible equities in Kashmir when, of course, it does not.


To conclude, Pakistan has and will be our guru. In their various attempts since that nation was illegitimately conceived, they've always confused tactics for strategy. This time they've taught us how to run an almost successful public campaign in their own clumsy inept manner but with some brilliant flourishes. We'd derive our learnings from this episode too, in our own clumsy inept way. After all we're brothers in arms.

 

[NKVD]

They won the perception war in that nobody outside of India (or Russia for that matter) thinks that we shot down an F-16 or successfully bombed our targets.

The present gag going around is that India was humiliated and Pakistan scored a major diplomatic victory with the release of the Wing Cdr.

These people will ultimately be the ones with eggs on their faces when the reality of the lost F-16 eventually comes out as well as when ever GOI releases videos of the strikes. Or NOT

If you concluded editorials NYT and BBC as diplomatic
Victory then I don't have to conclude anything further


In accordance with US state department
And at diplomatic level Pakistani's are Called to Address it commitment on UNSC council recommendations

They won the perception war in that nobody outside of India (or Russia for that matter) thinks that we shot down an F-16 or successfully bombed our targets.

The present gag going around is that India was humiliated and Pakistan scored a major diplomatic victory with the release of the Wing Cdr.

These people will ultimately be the ones with eggs on their faces when the reality of the lost F-16 eventually comes out as well as when ever GOI releases videos of the strikes. Or NOT

This what Pakistani's mainstream media
Concluded Today in there assessment

https://arynews.tv/en/china-will-not-pick-sides-india-pakistan-disputes/