These days some people over there are claiming we shot a Pakistani Sat in our ASAT test
If Falcon said it is not captured yet then it is not, doesn't mean it won't be but so far it's not. Let's wait for his confirmation too. We are reading too much into not so certain sources and exaggerating with every reply.
It feel more and more like other form where they strike Pakistani nuclear storage with Bhramos every few replies.
If that ground is of so much importance it will be very heavily defended and we can't capture it without good number of casualties and so far we haven't seen anything like that. In all possibility we may have made life hell for Pakistanis staying there but unless it's confirmed by Falcon I won't belive it.
So, what were the primary targets?
In that case explain to me why GCIO controlled the Intercept and the battle and not AWACS?
If this is what he had stated, he had no clue of what he was talking. Please explian me why were the aircraft carrying H4s which need to be programmed on ground for the area which they will attack and let him explain the reason as to why they fell in the area they did or missed? Do you know the limitations of M-3/5 in carrying and reprogramming these bombs in air?So far, I would wager on what ACM Tipnis said .... AFBs of Srinagar and Awantipore
With full respect to you, Your information is wrong. I have always maintained that aircraft were controlled for intercept from ground from ADDC. I don't have to explain to you what an ADDC is and what it does. You know it very well. It was this reason that Wg. Cdr. Abhi ended up sandwiched between two F-16s otherwise he could have easily taken out both F-16s. In 2v1 we practice it day in and day out. You get four aircraft lead only after demonstrating such capability.Sir.
AFAIK Su-30 was controlling the intercept with secondary of GCIO. Perhaps, I am assuming, that the AWACS in depth and South of immediate engagement zone had slight difficulty in tracking low flying intruding aircrafts which were better visualized by the Tracking Radars at Srinagar and the Su-30s on station, due to relative locations.
Retaliation was expected but not so soon and not in broad daylight. IAF did get a surprise. So much so that they had detected these formations getting airborne way earlier but did not think that they are going to attack targets in India. It was only when some of them approached the 10Km line that things became serious.
They...just gave it up ?
If you may recall, I too had initially given the benefit of jamming the GPS in the area to AWACS. But later I came to know the same thing which you are stating now. H4s missed because of suboptimal release and jamming of GPS otherwise we wud have had over 100 bodybags with some of very senior officers.Sir.
i still think that is a bit speculative.
It is still an intelligence based & led operation. The only thing that went awry was Mig-21 breaking off the plan and crossing over.
Irrespective of Pakistani claims of 'jamming' by their Falcons ex 24 Sqn PAF, the fact remains that the pilot went hot after a F-16 in his sight and took it. That PAF/PA AD has assisted in the kill is an altogether different matter.
There is also, I believe, an assertion of satellite jamming carried out by the Indians as claimed by someone from DRDO (I just can't recall the name) which may have created some issues for the H-4s. I refuse to comment on that.
If this is what he had stated, he had no clue of what he was talking. Please explian me why were the aircraft carrying H4s which need to be programmed on ground for the area which they will attack and let him explain the reason as to why they fell in the area they did or missed? Do you know the limitations of M-3/5 in carrying and reprogramming these bombs in air?
Can they retry this?? Just to put pressure on IAIf you may recall, I too had initially given the benefit of jamming the GPS in the area to AWACS. But later I came to know the same thing which you are stating now. H4s missed because of suboptimal release and jamming of GPS otherwise we wud have had over 100 bodybags with some of very senior officers.
Wrong post. H4 is different from what you have posted plus the aircraft has to be wired for sending out such data which is not the case for PAF Mirages.Sir.
For your reference.
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source: Raptor II | Denel Dynamics
An illustration for better understanding of all.
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It may be appreciated that there is a communication pod.
With full respect to you, Your information is wrong. I have always maintained that aircraft were controlled for intercept from ground from ADDC. I don't have to explain to you what an ADDC is and what it does. You know it very well. It was this reason that Wg. Cdr. Abhi ended up sandwiched between two F-16s otherwise he could have easily taken out both F-16s. In 2v1 we practice it day in and day out. You get four aircraft lead only after demonstrating such capability.
All gloves are off now. If PAF wanted they could have used these bombs again to save their forces instead of trying to do sneak attacks and avenge the deaths. Why are they not doing it?Can they retry this?? Just to put pressure on IA
While I fully agree with you on this but I still refuse to believe that AWACS were on station. The combat had ended even before they could get a picture of what was happening.I maybe wrong sir.
My combat experience (for what it's worth) has shown a severe disconnect in quite a significant number of cases, where the training, irrespective of the amount and frequency) quickly goes out of the window for the combatant and elementary mistakes are made. I can assume safely that combat tests one better than any simulated training.
Ne one going for code