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Wrong post. H4 is different from what you have posted plus the aircraft has to be wired for sending out such data which is not the case for PAF Mirages.


Sir.

The post is of Denel Raptor 2 aka H4 SOW manufactured under ToT by Pakistan.

Now it shall be a bit of stretch for ACM Tipnis and Denel, the OEM, both to be wrong.
 
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While I fully agree with you on this but I still refuse to believe that AWACS were on station. The combat had ended even before they could get a picture of what was happening.

Sir.

Your views, I respect them. Although the facts differ.
 
They probably will not. They did not count on the level of escalation India was going for during end of Feb. A bomb landing on a Brigade HQ will cause a VERY upset Army. With the current political climate, govt will have to skip the finesse and reach for the sledgehammer.

The issue is, they shall have to do something pretty stupid, pretty quickly to escalate and get China to move into UN to seek intervention of all. Either ways, we have them in the perfect Catch 22. It is only a finite time they can control information and casualties of NOK (not next of kin, my cheeky acronym of Not Officially Killed ;))
 
We have launched EMISAT. it will take us a few days to declare it fully operational after some mandatory tests. Do you know the kind of capability it gives us? We will now be able to locate every PA position even if hidden from the transmissions they make and IA has a very huge data base of the sets they use and the frequencies they use. We will be able to pin point each such transmitter and take it out by either arty fire or air burst Mortar rounds. Even the PA Snipers are not safe now.
Regarding AWACS, The air traffic controllers of IAF undergo this training and are embedded with fighter squadrons to get experience of GCI. They are rated on the basis of their capabilities and only Master Green are cleared to ride an AWACS. They are the finest and these guys really work hard not for the additional flying pay but for that half Eagle they can put on their chest. Any IAF guy will die laughing if you tell him that instead of AWACS, we used GCI to control the combat. Phalcons have capabilities with the best in the world AWACS and have the ability to not only direct Fighters and jamming but also to pick out cruise missiles and jam them.
Sir.

Your views, I respect them. Although the facts differ.

Sir.

The post is of Denel Raptor 2 aka H4 SOW manufactured under ToT by Pakistan.

Now it shall be a bit of stretch for ACM Tipnis and Denel, the OEM, both to be wrong.

Let us agree to disagree on these points. You will get a clarity when the awards are announced.
 
The issue is, they shall have to do something pretty stupid, pretty quickly to escalate and get China to move into UN to seek intervention of all. Either ways, we have them in the perfect Catch 22. It is only a finite time they can control information and casualties of NOK (not next of kin, my cheeky acronym of Not Officially Killed ;))

If I hazard a guess these guys are waiting for the elections to get over. They actually believe that India will dial things back a bit after elections. When that does not happen, Plan B will be causing a quick event timed to make people in the West spill their morning coffee and get on the phone.
 
If I hazard a guess these guys are waiting for the elections to get over. They actually believe that India will dial things back a bit after elections. When that does not happen, Plan B will be causing a quick event timed to make people in the West spill their morning coffee and get on the phone.

If the wrong person gets elected it will most definitely get dialled back.
 
Regarding AWACS, The air traffic controllers of IAF undergo this training and are embedded with fighter squadrons to get experience of GCI. They are rated on the basis of their capabilities and only Master Green are cleared to ride an AWACS. They are the finest and these guys really work hard not for the additional flying pay but for that half Eagle they can put on their chest. Any IAF guy will die laughing if you tell him that instead of AWACS, we used GCI to control the combat. Phalcons have capabilities with the best in the world AWACS and have the ability to not only direct Fighters and jamming but also to pick out cruise missiles and jam them.

Sir.

For your reference, see the below.

In that case explain to me why GCIO controlled the Intercept and the battle and not AWACS?
 
If I hazard a guess these guys are waiting for the elections to get over. They actually believe that India will dial things back a bit after elections. When that does not happen, Plan B will be causing a quick event timed to make people in the West spill their morning coffee and get on the phone.


They won't have time to wait for elections. Reason of loss of points along LC and casualties.
 
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Why go so far when the IA brigade HQ's were closer.


Target was,as explained few weeks back, limited to Kashmir valley because:

1. Allows highlighting the issue as being linked to Kashmir.
2. Shows 'support' to Kashmir
3. Intent to hit across LC using the principle that LC violations are norms and IAF violated LC first.
4. Specific for airfields - H4 has the range. Strike on IAF assets would have shown 'capability' to hit targets 'deep' in "Indian Occupied Kashmir in support of right to self determination" (thereby generating more support from Pakistani people) and they could have claimed having entered Kashmir as their population is none the wiser. By being forced to target areas which their own artillery can engage any given day of the week, not much could be achieved.
 
If you may recall, I too had initially given the benefit of jamming the GPS in the area to AWACS. But later I came to know the same thing which you are stating now. H4s missed because of suboptimal release and jamming of GPS otherwise we wud have had over 100 bodybags with some of very senior officers.

So what explains the unexploded bombs sir? I belive there was an article just yesterday saying 3 of them are still lying.
 
Why go so far when the IA brigade HQ's were closer.
I do not want to post here but the exact Geodetic coordinates of our stations as it is not known to anyone except for maybe Americans. The world and commercial applications use Geodetic-84 but India has done a survey of the areas of interest of its own using IRS and other such satellites. Pakistan can never hit any of our taget using Geodetic-84 coordinates. PLUS our own bombs and missiles use GAGAN which allows for degradation of GPS signals and also allow for GPS jamming and yet find their targets. Just to shock some of you. Israel does not use GPS but our GAGAN to target its enemies. Its far more accurate than GPS for military use and even 3D precision approaches by commercial aircraft in zero visibility conditions have been demonstrated by this system.
Hilly areas in India use geodetic-100 system and that is not commercially available.
So what explains the unexploded bombs sir? I belive there was an article just yesterday saying 3 of them are still lying.
If they were live, why did they not explode? They are fused and primed for explosion but did not meet the criteria to explode. I had stated that these precision bombs have inbuilt system to render them useless and defuse them if they fail to find their target to avoid collateral damage. They are lying there and can explode if mishandled and so they are like land mines now.
 
Then they should be coming out swinging any time now. The middle and lower tier of their forces would be asking questions if not any one else.


Please recall a screen shot of the tweet I had made yesterday. Unfortunately, I don't do such things - give out indications, but yesterday was one off requirement. Expectation of a counter attack within 24 hours were very high. They tried to mount one yesterday. This was bigger in scope with reinforced and fresh troops. The initial attempt to retake lost points was made within 12 hours on the days of losses. But had been beaten back. As mopping up and consolidation took place on Indian side, the ability to maintain troops in immediate vicinity of Indian positions became questionable.

That is why I have been repeating - finite time remains for them to be able to contain any information.
 
Sir.

For your reference, see the below.
Nothing to explain as from very begining I had maintained that GCI controlled the combat. I even posted a diagram to show how we could have positioned MIG-21s to avoid being sandwiched. AWACS would have seen the whole picture and guided the MIG-21s better to avoid sandwich trap.
I had also written about the extended line formations flown by PAF and what formations we fly. I had specifically stated that Extended line formation allows for sandwiching and BVR combat while keeping own formations safe. I had also stated about the extremely deadly formation that we have perfected called Corridor Formation. I hope you remember that.
 
Please recall a screen shot of the tweet I had made yesterday. Unfortunately, I don't do such things - give out indications, but yesterday was one off requirement. Expectation of a counter attack within 24 hours were very high. They tried to mount one yesterday. This was bigger in scope with reinforced and fresh troops. The initial attempt to retake lost points was made within 12 hours on the days of losses. But had been beaten back. As mopping up and consolidation took place on Indian side, the ability to maintain troops in immediate vicinity of Indian positions became questionable.

That is why I have been repeating - finite time remains for them to be able to contain any information.

So the aircraft were sent and retreated over the posts they lost? Can we assume that as confirmed?
 
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