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India/Modi will have to respond or force USA to completely denounce the article as pure heresay with no substance publicly in the least..

Reason as this article will become big for sure is, as other media houses uses it as source in coming days as the final truth. This will slowly with time have a political consequence. If opposition parties don't use it immediately, they will surely use it more & more as election heats up to ridicule Modi, that we lost 2 indeed as shown in video & was trying to hide incapacity of India... No doubt ISPR & opposition parties will collude to make it big. Its right now a small spark, but will definitely grow & spread, unless addressed & addressed quickly.
 
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India/Modi will have to respond or force USA to completely denounce the article as pure heresay with no substance publicly in the least..

Reason as this article will become big for sure is, as other media houses uses it as source in coming days as the final truth. This will slowly with time have a political consequence. If opposition parties don't use it immediately, they will surely use it more & more as election heats up to ridicule Modi, that we lost 2 indeed as shown in video & was trying to hide incapacity of India... No doubt ISPR & opposition parties will collude to make it big. Its right now a small spark, but will definitely grow & spread, unless addressed & addressed quickly.
Read my yesterday's post about hybrid warfare. This is what I had predicted will happen. One obscure, unknown entity makes a claim and everyone in India is ready to belive them while showing contempt to their own Air Chief. How can any Indian trust unknown Goras so much? If this is not slave mentality, then what is a slave mentality? We want to believe unknown sources on whom this report is based while not believing our own KNOWN Air Chief.
It takes over 37 yrs of hardwork and sacrifices to be a Chief in India. Do you think such a person will tell lies to his own countrymen?
 
Read my yesterday's post about hybrid warfare. This is what I had predicted will happen. One obscure, unknown entity makes a claim and everyone in India is ready to belive them while showing contempt to their own Air Chief. How can any Indian trust unknown Goras so much? If this is not slave mentality, then what is a slave mentality? We want to believe unknown sources on whom this report is based while not believing our own KNOWN Air Chief.
The problem is the publication in this situation is considered decent and not obscure at all. The writer, even if she is biased in favour of Pakistan, will be taken seriously across the world as she has been writing for quite a while and has built up a decent reputation.
 
Read my yesterday's post about hybrid warfare. This is what I had predicted will happen. One obscure, unknown entity makes a claim and everyone in India is ready to belive them while showing contempt to their own Air Chief. How can any Indian trust unknown Goras so much? If this is not slave mentality, then what is a slave mentality? We want to believe unknown sources on whom this report is based while not believing our own KNOWN Air Chief.
It takes over 37 yrs of hardwork and sacrifices to be a Chief in India. Do you think such a person will tell lies to his own countrymen?
I believe its more to do with election, then slave mentality, in any other time it will likely play out & die its own death quite differently.
Here in election season truth or false, its a scoop & will be part of propaganda against opposing parties incapability's
 
Read my yesterday's post about hybrid warfare. This is what I had predicted will happen. One obscure, unknown entity makes a claim and everyone in India is ready to belive them while showing contempt to their own Air Chief. How can any Indian trust unknown Goras so much? If this is not slave mentality, then what is a slave mentality? We want to believe unknown sources on whom this report is based while not believing our own KNOWN Air Chief.
It takes over 37 yrs of hardwork and sacrifices to be a Chief in India. Do you think such a person will tell lies to his own countrymen?

Did the IAF not indicate it had electronic data that confirms the kill? It will come out eventually. Till then we just need to wait.
Ghafoor initally claimed 3 then 2 and then 1 pilot in custody. Why ? The entire country was focused on Abhinandan and no one remembered to ask what happened to the other two. Ghafoor let it slip in under the carpet. Multiple videos show 2 planes going down.

We know that PAF could have only used an F-16 since JF-17 2 seater is not inducted yet (quoted just a few posts earlier). A lot of videos have people claiming they saw 2 more parachutes come out in a color scheme consistent with the color of F-16 parachutes.

The white man is as prone to BSing as the brown man. I'd rather believe the IAF chief. But then I am just a hobbyist.
 
Read my yesterday's post about hybrid warfare. This is what I had predicted will happen. One obscure, unknown entity makes a claim and everyone in India is ready to belive them while showing contempt to their own Air Chief. How can any Indian trust unknown Goras so much? If this is not slave mentality, then what is a slave mentality? We want to believe unknown sources on whom this report is based while not believing our own KNOWN Air Chief.
It takes over 37 yrs of hardwork and sacrifices to be a Chief in India. Do you think such a person will tell lies to his own countrymen?

the problem is that Foreign Policy is not an obscure entity. It is a fairly well regarded publication.
 
it's pretty reputed. I was planning to subscribe to it several years ago but it's damn expensive. If anyone else had reported it I don't think India media would have reported it so significantly.
The report itself is speculative and offers the publication plausible deniability.

Having said that, the more the GoI tries to conceal the matter the more it exposes itself to such accusations. Actually, the GoI's stance flies in the face of Modi's typical Modus Operandi which is to publicise massively, anything and everything he or his administration undertakes.
 
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it's pretty reputed. I was planning to subscribe to it several years ago but it's damn expensive. If anyone else had reported it I don't think India media would have reported it so significantly.

There was a time when even NY Times was considered reputed. Indian media will report every insignificant news significantly.
As I said, ignore and move on.
 
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Having said that, the more the GoI tries to conceal the matter the more it exposes itself to such accusations. Actually, the GoI's stance flies in the face of Modi's typical Modus Operandi which is to publicise massively, anything and everything he or his administration undertakes.

GOI has been very hesitant to give any detailed information on all military operations. From Myanmar, to Surgical Strikes to Balakot.
GOI's stance on that front has been pretty much constant.
 
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Hello everyone, this is my first post.

Its difficult for the person to be neutral and journalist are no different.
Regarding, F-16 I think DGISPR statements are enough evidences to prove that, they are trying to hide something.
the statement that "we didn't use F-16" come in response of F-16 is down, because it's the easiest cover.
what they forget that it's easy to prove that F-16 has been used than showing F-16 was downed, unless you have downed aircraft or part of it.
If this is not the case than I think they have bigger problem, that they have incompetent person at that position.
 
The problem is the publication in this situation is considered decent and not obscure at all. The writer, even if she is biased in favour of Pakistan, will be taken seriously across the world as she has been writing for quite a while and has built up a decent reputation.
Do you believe Washinton Post to be "decent" and "not obscure at all"?
Or say "Associate Press" to be a reliable source?
 
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Here is reporting from Washington Post. A very reputed news paper : (The link is now dead , but google still remembers).

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...664634-4c72-11e9-8cfc-2c5d0999c21e_story.html

The news came via Associated Press. A very very reputed news aggregator.

And its false :


So take any reporting from seemingly "neutral" parties with a metric ton of salt.
 
Have Proof Pakistani F-16 Shot Down, Says Air Force; Refutes US Journal Report

There will be few who want to take a different line just because political compulsion.... But one need to introspect whom do you beleieve the most... A journalist from US or your own chief
This line of believing chief is being repeated so many times without addressing the issue.

We trust him, he claimed that one day after the fight which means he would have done his due diligence and ascertained the facts before claiming the kill. On day 1 it was called 'an aircraft' next day only it was formally announced it was f16. But issue is when we have evidence why are letting these conspiracy theories develop? Indians will belive but other military powers won't see it with suspicion after every claim we put not much to substantiate it? For Indians if you even lost everything you will be supported, maybe people become little angry but the end of day it's our force, our people bonded closely, the claims are not made for us but for whole world and mostly for Pakistani public.

If such doubts keep arising will any Jihadi fear retribution? They will infact feel encouraged that their force fought for them and won over bigger enemy, is this how we plan to create a deterrence? We put the proofs and they deny it that's a different story, our evidence is credible enough so publicly they may not accept but deep inside every Pakistani will know what happened and PAF cheated again. Surgical strikes were accepted by majority in Pakistan and were disoriented with fear even when they denied it. They may say something in public but they knew this happened.

This all look more problematic because doubts on air strikes are already there without complete information, now this only compound the problem. This excuse of somehow giving up or exposing our capacity to enemy also doesn't really make much sense. Show them to all other countries officials, get formal statements if this is really so secret.

Not everything is about believing or not believing chief, they are only making it more suspicious and doubtful by not coming forward. Wait till poltical mudslinging start and see the reputation tank even in own country, let it become big and try salvaging later. What a mess.
 
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We trust him, he claimed that one day after the fight which means he would have done his due diligence and ascertained the facts before claiming the kill. On day 1 it was called 'an aircraft' next day only it was formally announced it was f16. But issue is when we have evidence why are letting these conspiracy theories develop? Indians will belive but other military powers won't see it with suspicion after every claim we put not much to substantiate it? For Indians if you even lost everything you will be supported, maybe people become little angry but the end of day it's our force, our people bonded closely, the claims are not made for us but for whole world and mostly for Pakistani public.
There are couple of things :
1. Forces --and especially Indian forces-- are not exactly PR firms. They have responsibility to protect Indian territory and not to convince Indian public. Thats politician's job. Pakistan is different, there politicians and forces are one and the same.

2.Current trend of asking forces to take part in political settings is something not liked by the forces and their leadership as well. Remember, VK singh didn't like forces to be referred as "Modi's Forces"? They are Indian forces and they don't want to be dragged in a political debate. Proving Modi has 56 inch chest is Modi's headache --And yes, it is this what it is coming to for most of Indians. Forces serve GoI, not Modi or BJP.

3. Its natural forces and its leadership will distance from political clutter. May be had this time been not election time, you would have seen the proof. Not now. Forces most likely don't want to be seen as supporting a particular party.
 
This line of believing chief is being repeated so many times without addressing the issue.

We trust him, he claimed that one day after the fight which means he would have done his due diligence and ascertained the facts before claiming the kill. On day 1 it was called 'an aircraft' next day only it was formally announced it was f16. But issue is when we have evidence why are letting these conspiracy theories develop? Indians will belive but other military powers won't see it with suspicion after every claim we put not much to substantiate it? For Indians if you even lost everything you will be supported, maybe people become little angry but the end of day it's our force, our people bonded closely, the claims are not made for us but for whole world and mostly for Pakistani public.

If such doubts keep arising will any Jihadi fear retribution? They will infact feel encouraged that their force fought for them and won over bigger enemy, is this how we plan to create a deterrence? We put the proofs and they deny it that's a different story, our evidence is credible enough so publicly they may not accept but deep inside every Pakistani will know what happened and PAF cheated again. Surgical strikes were accepted by majority in Pakistan and were disoriented with fear even when they denied it. They may say something in public but they knew this happened.

This all look more problematic because doubts on air strikes are already there without complete information, now this only compound the problem. This excuse of somehow giving up or exposing our capacity to enemy also doesn't really make much sense. Show them to all other countries officials, get formal statements if this is really so secret.

Not everything is about believing or not believing chief, they are only making it more suspicious and doubtful by not coming forward. Wait till poltical mudslinging start and see the reputation tank even in own country, let it become big and try salvaging later. What a mess.

Do you belive in God? Have you ever seen him? has he manifested himself to you or anyone?
Now, here we have an Air Chief, whom we know, have seen, who stated infront of the world media that India shot down an F-16 and we have evidence. It is up to the GOI to release the evidence. Once a go ahead is given, IAF will do it. But trust me, you may try whatever, all games against Modi will fail and will turnout in his favour. remember my horoscope predictions about him?
This article at this stage when first phase of polling is just six days away, will now force IAF to release the evidence which will further bolster Modi campaign. So the people who wanted to sabotage his re-election will end up making sure that he is re-elected.
Recall my analogy of Baali, brother of Sugriv, who had a boon that anyone who challenges him in fight will lose half his strength and that strength will add to the strength of Baali.
 
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