India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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BlackOpsIndia said:
They do, there are two UNSC resolutions going on right now triggered by same event and public become curious when we claim we shot down f16 with Mig21..
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I'm talking about the Mango people. UNSC resolution are "mostly" done by matured people who are not usually easily convinced by propaganda. You don't usually need to convince them on what the reality is.

BlackOpsIndia said:
Because we made the claim, a big claim, wont be a problem if we didn't. Israel strikes Iranian targets regularly in Syria but barely they announce and even before announcement videos are made public...
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Of course, but for some reason we aren't releasing any information. India has been very hesitant to share any information on any military operation till date. Myanmar, Surgical Strikes, Balakot, 27th Air battle. We need to believe its for a good reason.

BlackOpsIndia said:
No sir, the entire response is why the hell are we in such a situation even after taking considerable risk, executing a strike deep inside Pakistan without any loss and almost doing the magic of killing an F16 with soon to retire Mig21. Learn to differentiate between both.
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What situation? Why play into the Pakistani tactics and make something bigger than it actually is. Its just an article on some website written by someone whom none of us have heard of. Let Gafoora go crazy along with his country men. Life will go on as normal here.
 
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Guynextdoor said:
No. The information war has no relevance to Elections. Modi's fate is sealed. He will neither win nor lose because of this. If you want to believe in conspiracy theories go ahead.
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If the info war has no relevance to elections, then it has no relevance period.

But as of now India's diplomatic posiiton has been heavily compromised because of mismnaged communications with the international community.
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Nope. The govts of other countries know exactly what's happening. Govts don't get their conformation from Twitter.
 
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randomradio said:
If the info war has no relevance to elections, then it has no relevance period.



Nope. The govts of other countries know exactly what's happening. Govts don't get their conformation from Twitter.
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yeah....it doesn't work anymore. Either they give proof or they lose credibility. This is not Uri. We didn't ask for any proof. Right now no one is ready to give credibility until they see the proof.
 
Star Wars said:
Of course, but for some reason we aren't releasing any information. India has been very hesitant to share any information on any military operation till date. Myanmar, Surgical Strikes, Balakot, 27th Air battle. We need to believe its for a good reason.
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Yeah we do not provide details on time even when PM make boastful claims in every rally and after 2 years when those videos mean nothing we release them. That time neither capability is exposed nor operational matters comes to mind.

If we are going to release the data or any other evidence this is the best time to release otherwise just say no other evidence will be released and we got it, that is enough. Whats the use of releasing it on later date? For Balakote strikes, I heard a theory of not releasing the pics because it will expose the resolution of satellite, this can be very good excuse for digitaly illiterate people but people who worked even a little bit with photos will find it very absurd.

Star Wars said:
What situation? Why play into the *censored* tactics and make something bigger than it actually is. Its just an article on some website written by someone whom none of us have heard of. Let Gafoora go crazy along with his country men. Life will go on as normal here.
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Oh I am not worried by that article alone, I feel it is an indication of things to come and its a part of buildup of misinformation, this misinformation campaign is going on right after the strikes and its time to put an end to it.
 
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Shajida Khan said:
when there is a war, there are opponents and targets. May I ask who is going to be the target here? Forces? Nope! International community, they don't give a damn. Indians? Well most of them are concerned more about their jobs. Keyboard warriors like us? May be.
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Nope. There is a real erosion of India's diplomatic credibility in the international community. And if you think it doesn't have an effect on state governments, just look at what Mahatir Mohammed said in Pakistan for a view.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Because IAF is not PAF, we dont want that kind of reputation when everyone knows whatever they are saying is a lie so no point in questioning more lies will come out. I seriously hope we are not looking for that kind of reputation. .
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No, IAF is not PAF. It never was and never will be. There never will come a time when IAF will have to fall to such a level. You think you are doing IAF a favour by asking for proof while claiming you don't want IAF to become PAF? What is your intention here? Other than yourself, nobody else is raising so many doubts.
 
vstol Jockey said:
I agree.
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Then why did they continue messing up- the F16 was tracked on radar and it vanished, we have audio tapes- what does any of this compromise? What were they doing with this for one month? I suspect this was not IAF's choice but the governments. But that does not matter any more.
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
Oh I am not worried by that article alone, I feel it is an indication of things to come and its a part of buildup of misinformation, this misinformation campaign is going on right after the strikes and its time to put an end to it.
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Dude you are wasting your time. Even if you make the entire forum and their relatives in Kanpur agree to your point it will not have any impact on the Govt. So why get so worked up?

Quoting Sri Kejriwal - Hum to Aam Aadmi hain. Hamari kya aukaad hai ji.
 
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Guynextdoor said:
Nope. There is a real erosion of India's diplomatic credibility in the international community. And if you think it doesn't have an effect on state governments, just look at what Mahatir Mohammed said in Pakistan for a view.
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Well... It was well known in 1971 that Pakistan was doing extremely nafarious things in erstwhile East Pakistan. Did it stop US/UK from helping her? Who were the last folks to recognize Bangladesh?

"Diplomatic credibility" is not built upon truth etc. It is well, interests. Here is one more thing: People and nations trust your inabilities more than your abilities.
 
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Guynextdoor said:
Then why did they continue messing up- the F16 was tracked on radar and it vanished, we have audio tapes- what does any of this compromise? What were they doing with this for one month? I suspect this was not IAF's choice but the governments. But that does not matter any more.
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Indian Armed Forces are an extension of the will of the Government of India. We are politically neutral. We take our orders from GOI and do our job of protecting our nation. We do what government asks us to do and always deliver. The decision to go public with evidence lies with GOI. We have shown GOI the proof that we did what we were asked to do and that too with precision of highest order. Period.
 
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Jaymax said:
Dude you are wasting your time. Even if you make the entire forum and their relatives in Kanpur agree to your point it will not have any impact on the Govt. So why get so worked up?

Quoting Sri Kejriwal - Hum to Aam Aadmi hain. Hamari kya aukaad hai ji.
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Its OurPhone.... Not WePhone :)
 
vstol Jockey said:
Indian Armed Forces are an extension of the will of the Government of India. We are politically neutral. We take our orders from GOI and do our job of protecting our nation. We do what government asks us to do and always deliver. The decision to go public with evidence lies with GOI. We have shown GOI the proof that we did what we were asked to do and that too with precision of highest order. Period.
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yes- this is because the government wanted to convert this into a poltiical control opportunity instead of letting the IAF do it's job. They didn't want the IAF to brief or give infomration but instead put politicans are primary information source. They did this to make sure the press understood they are 'information arbiters' and only writing good things about the government will let them get exclusive access that increases ratings. In Kargil all journalists got their briefing publicly and together, today some journos get faster access for being 'good boys'. India's diplomatic credibility be damned.
 
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Star Wars said:
What is your intention here? Other than yourself, nobody else is raising so many doubts.
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I am an agent, you can decide the country of your choice.

If you have read what I wrote you would have known, either way doesn't matter.

Jaymax said:
Dude you are wasting your time. Even if you make the entire forum and their relatives in Kanpur agree to your point it will not have any impact on the Govt. So why get so worked up?

Quoting Sri Kejriwal - Hum to Aam Aadmi hain. Hamari kya aukaad hai ji.
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Yeah you are right, we are going mess this exceptional operation if we haven't already, the misinformation campaign is getting more and more momentum while we are sleeping. This article is not alone, a lot is going on against India's claims with independent bloggers to big publications and once the tone is set it will be hard to undo that time we can play those videos on youtube for our satisfaction.
 
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