India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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_Anonymous_ said:
To begin with thank you for acquainting Me with terms like DEFCON & REDCON. Admittedly, this is the first time I've come across them.
So, what exactly was the state of affairs after Balakote? Peace or war? Please elaborate. Or would you rather the GoI declared war for the IAF to be on maximum alert post Balakote. Please elucidate your views, O great one.
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We are in a state of no war - no peace.

And we had enough assets in the air to stop an attack, which we did properly. Both Balakot and the air battle are feathers in the IAF's cap. One can imagine what could have been had Abhi escaped.

Even the US hasn't had the pleasure of fighting such a battle in a network-centric environment.
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
Sir let's be real, if 2 Su30 can Jam 12 H4, 5 AMRAAM from a distance of 70-80km they can jam a hell lot more from 30-40km as distance affects intensity and strength of signals inversely.

Did they moved forward and took the aim or stayed outside range of AMRAAM? That should give you the answer.
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Su-30s don't do such jamming. All that's reserved to dedicated aircraft and ground jammers. MKIs only carry self-protection equipment.
 
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Paro said:
I think Paf never intended to hit our HQ like most members here claim. PAK just wanted a moral victory in the eyes of their avaam. Killing Indian soldiers in revenge of an airstrike on terrorists which they claim don't exist is a pretty big idea to defend around the world, especially when the world is accusing you of harboring terrorists. So the theory of Paf failing is just a self satisfactory statement by IAF.
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I think they did want to attack our brigade HQ.

Here is why - Immediately after Uri bombing we targeted one of their brigade HQs with artillery and levelled it.Pakistanis being Pakistanis hid it very competently and took it on the chin as the price for their misadventures.But when we bombed Balakot, they decided to level our brigade HQ in return, since their twisted mind always seeks parity of equal-equal with India.
Instead they shot Abhinandan and decided to exit the game on their own terms rather than risk frittering away PR gains from Abhinandan pics by loosing their jets in Indian territory.

I have no proof for any of this, I am putting two and two together from info collected from different sources.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
Going by your supreme logic, wasn't that an act of war? And yet again going by your supreme logic we shouldn't have escalated. You're not even talking of adequate and proportional response. You've straight away jumped the gun to bring in the term escalation. Yet according to you we shouldn't be targeting the Pakistan armed forces. For our job is to target the so called non state actors. As if they exist in a vaccum. In isolation as it were. Do you see the contradicting statements you've posted. You've tied yourself in knots.
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Military force doesn't work against non-state actors. Look at the US in Afghanistan and Syria.

We need to pull financial support, which can't be done if we attack Pakistan.
 
randomradio said:
We are in a state of no war - no peace.

And we had enough assets in the air to stop an attack, which we did properly. Both Balakot and the air battle are feathers in the IAF's cap. One can imagine what could have been had Abhi escaped.

Even the US hasn't had the pleasure of fighting such a battle in a network-centric environment.
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Our performance could have been better

We only needed 2 more Su 30s at 40
K feet at that time

The really sad part is that they could not anticipate that PAF will ambush them from well within their territory with Aim 120 C 5
 
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Paro said:
I think Paf never intended to hit our HQ like most members here claim. PAK just wanted a moral victory in the eyes of their avaam. Killing Indian soldiers in revenge of an airstrike on terrorists which they claim don't exist is a pretty big idea to defend around the world, especially when the world is accusing you of harboring terrorists. So the theory of Paf failing is just a self satisfactory statement by IAF.
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do you really believe so? How do you explain two of them which actually landed close to the target only to hit the trees in the compound. Had it not been for those trees, the main building would have gone up. PAF had every intention to hit our Brigade HQ, Our weapons dump and take out couple of SU-30MKIs. Please look at the force mix and the fact that three F-16s did intrude to hit this weapon dump. If the intention was not to hit any target, than why intrude inside India? They got scared by sudden appearance of Mig-21s at the scene which they could very very late due to the shape and geography of Kashmir bowl. All these Mig-21s were vectored in from Srinagar, Awantipore and Udhampur.
The direction in which the three F-16s turned, placed them at a flight path which was nearly 90* to the wolfpack comprising eight F-16s and four JF-17s. The JF-17s were placed to the north. The aim was to force SU-30MKIs to chase these F-16s. The flight path of these F-16s would have exposed these SU-30MKIs to the waiting F-16s which would have got a very clear shot at them without the fear of shooting down one of their own.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Our performance could have been better

We only needed 2 more Su 30s at 40
K feet at that time
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That's like asking for a bigger air force, which is not panning out.

The really sad part is that they could not anticipate that PAF will ambush them from well within their territory with Aim 120 C 5
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This is elementary. Of course they can anticipate this. It's actually the point of BVR, the ability to fire off missiles from the safety of your own territory, ie, over your own SAMs.
 
vstol Jockey said:
do you really believe so? How do you explain two of them which actually landed close to the target only to hit the trees in the compound. Had it not been for those trees, the main building would have gone up. PAF had every intention to hit our Brigade HQ, Our weapons dump and take out couple of SU-30MKIs. Please look at the force mix and the fact that three F-16s did intrude to hit this weapon dump. If the intention was not to hit any target, than why intrude inside India? They got scared by sudden appearance of Mig-21s at the scene which they could very very late due to the shape and geography of Kashmir bowl. All these Mig-21s were vectored in from Srinagar, Awantipore and Udhampur.
The direction in which the three F-16s turned, placed them at a flight path which was nearly 90* to the wolfpack comprising eight F-16s and four JF-17s. The JF-17s were placed to the north. The aim was to force SU-30MKIs to chase these F-16s. The flight path of these F-16s would have exposed these SU-30MKIs to the waiting F-16s which would have got a very clear shot at them without the fear of shooting down one of their own.
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PAF is a one trick pony , Bait and Ambush

And now they know that they will be Ambushed one day , that is why airspace is closed
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
Sir let's be real, if 2 Su30 can Jam 12 H4, 5 AMRAAM from a distance of 70-80km they can jam a hell lot more from 30-40km as distance affects intensity and strength of signals inversely.

Did they moved forward and took the aim or stayed outside range of AMRAAM? That should give you the answer.
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They stayed between the brigade HQ and the weapons dump near Riasi which were the main VAs they were protecting. They stayed in that area thruout the engagement. F-16s were chased out by Mig-21s.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Syria is pretty much clear now after military force and it finished LTTE too. Few bad examples don't really makes it a general truth, depends upon situation.
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Okay, I don't wanna bring in LTTE into the discussion, but their funding was cut off. If you recall, Russia did their utmost to cut off ISIS's funding. Remember all those oil tanker videos. Then they followed through with a quick military operation to take out the remnants.

As long as all the POJK groups do not have their funding cut off, nothing will happen to them.

After their funding is cut off, you squeeze them out of safe havens, which the Lankans did using their military.

So what you do after cutting off funding is either a quick military operation like Pakistan did against TTP or a slow bleed-till-you-die waiting game that we are doing against Naxals.

How well all this works on Pak terror groups is anybody's guess.
 
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