Yesterday PAF did a exercise and the Results were Very bad and gloomy for them
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Yesterday PAF did a exercise and the Results were Very bad and gloomy for them
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Both of you have suddenly become Very Active on this thread
Did you receive some Interesting news
About likely activities and events
Babaji is also Hinting something
Gen Rawat is touring all forward areas
I don't expect anything big to happen until Pakistan's been put on the blacklist. Perhaps by October.
I suppose Malaysia will have to be dealt with first.
Malaysia and Turkey can be easily cooked by changing Palm oil supplier and cancelling 2.6b tanker deal with Turkey.
If US wanted both these votes would have been neutralized. with all the stuff happening with Iran It's in the interest of US to keep pak in greylist and not downgrade it.
So, what's the state of alert in a no war - no peace scenario? Kindly elaborate. We had enough air assets in the air such that the full magnitude of what we were up against became apparent at the 11th hour and we had to scramble what we had to square up to the PAF. All we could muster was 8 AC in the air. 2+2 undertaking CAP and 4 scrambled to tackle the incoming tangos. The rest of the MiG 29 or Mirages were too far South to even contemplate being tasked to tackle the incoming tangos.
The events of the 27th Feb were a feather in the cap for the IAF? That's news. In spite of losing a helo to friendly fire, losing a MiG 21& having your pilot taken as a PoW and downing an F-16 about which a controversy still persists, apart from having your brigade HQ nearly blown away by PGM's One can imagine what would be the case if Wing Co Abhi didn't do what he did intentionally or unintentionally.
And we did a splendid job on the 27th Feb thanks to our newly acquired network centric warfare abilities, which incidentally PAF doesn't possess.
Both India and Pakistan are on Full Alert
Right now , doing Air Exercises
Simply because , when the whole world attention is focussed on Iran and US
Both sides expect the other to take advantage of this situation
Nobody will bother , Nobody will lecture
if War starts in South Asia , right now
Considering the US will attack Iran, Which clearly trump is downplaying. At max, you will see the US retaliating by shooting down a drone or bombing a military asset without and loss of life. Both countries are already backing off.
We have to turn Malaysia towards us, like we did Sri Lanka and Maldives.
But I don't think much can be done about Turkey. They are firmly in Pak camp. And cancelling the tanker deal will only hurt us more, considering how long it takes us to get another deal going.
If US wants them to be blacklisted , they will get it done , They will pass their own Sanctions law against Pakistan and ask all
Countries to comply
Like they did in case of Iran
We stopped them with what we had, didn't we?
Yes, even if the best team goes to play against the weakest cricket team, there will be some surprises.
Pakistanis do posses network centric capabilities. In fact, before we did. Ours is simply much more advanced.
So, the intent counts for nothing. Are you suggesting we act only of one of those PGM's cause material damage and casualties?
Prima facie, it doesn't appear to be the case. But this is Pakistan we're talking off. What else could they have targetted apart from military installations. But then where was the justification for it when India clearly declared the Balakote air strikes as pre emptive strikes at non military installations.
They could target our military installations, cause material damage and casualties and escalate. Which would clearly not be in its favour. So they opted to " Strike" Our military establishment and yet not strike them.
For if what you hold to be true, then it's absolutely inexcusable on our part not to respond in kind and for which you avoided taking retaliatory action claiming escalation.
Your view. They certainly didn't win but they made their point. In their narrative they forced an over whelmingly superior air force to eat humble pie - a view as disconcerting as it is , isn't completely off the mark.
Nice spin on things in defence of our pussilanimity post the action on 27th Feb . You'd have a glittering carrier as a BJP spokesman were you to offer them your services. Even they couldn't spin it any better.
Targeting their armed forces is long overdue especially after they attempted a hit on ours giving us ample justification to respond in kind. The world can & must be told, it's tit for tat. It'd suit the world if India just took it on their chin and moved along, like we've done forever. Why did we even initiate Balalote then. We could've kept quiet and won the appreciation of the world for our restraint and pats on the back
Escalating matters to debilitate their air Force by taking down a few planes preferably their F- 16's or their AWACS / A&EW works in our favour in the long run.
Yes. All those tweets by Baba Benaras or whatever moniker he goes by are good to boost our self esteem. I propose the next time there's a Pulwama, we do nothing except warfare by Twitter.
If they aren't working, why's the US still there in Afghanistan and what exactly have been their achievements since they overturned the Taliban regime.
We need to pull financial support as well as take our PA / PAF / PN assets apart from targeting their non state actors and supporting infrastructure.
With a bit of luck, yes. It could easily have gone the other way.
Of course, there will be. How we react the next time will tell whether we have derived the right lessons or not. But we've stayed supine for so long that any reaction however half hearted and in half measure is like manna from heaven. That's how much we've punched below our weight and that's a measure of how much Pakistan has punched above its weight.
They had already lost so much that we didn't need to do anything in order to create disorder within their ranks.
You are questioning IAF's performance here. But can you imagine what's happening inside PAF?
What's the purpose? We did all the damage we had to do already.
So what you're saying is when IAF bats, every single ball should be 4 or 6. And when IAF balls, it should not exceed 1.4 overs?
First hit the economy and then hit the forces. As long as they have even a little bit of money they will fight back. But what we really want is for the Pakistani public to stand up and revolt.
Not necessarily. The 100 K-9s, 100 Bihos, QRSAM and 464 T-90MS are being purchased in order to create the conditions necessary for a short war. Not to mention, the Phase 1 BMD is now ready for deployment. There is a time and place.
They are stuck there, out of compulsion.
If you break one of their ships now, it will get replaced free of cost.
Look at the Erirye and P3 Orion losses. They lost some aircraft in terrorist attacks, but those were all replaced. It's pointless just doing military damage if not backed up by economic damage.
Simple question really. We stopped them. All advantages in their favour, and we stopped them. Nothing gets better than that.
The fact that we stopped them is good enough. Not many can do what we accomplished.
Why did we buy tanker from Turkey of all countries?
Amount earned will be directly detrimental to us in R&D and sale of weapons to Pakistan.
We bought some tankers from European countries 5-6 years back, why aren't we going with that?
Well, whatever happened on 27th Feb was a clear cut screw up by the top brass of IAF by not anticipating the retaliation. At the same time, the IAF ground controller and the pilots saved the day in spite of the odds stacked against them.
It's nothing unusual as far as our military top brass is concerned. Remember how some general boasted that they will drive out the intruders within 48 hrs, during Kargil war?? Eventually it took more than two months and it's the soldiers and young officers who won the war for us.
Our Generals and Air Marshals are so used to "Kadi ninda" type reactions that they have probably forgotten actual war strategy. Pakistan army's existence depends on their false bravado against India and our super smart military strategists didn't expect any retaliation after our air strike after 48 years !! What did they expect ? Some freshly made Niahri with Lahori fish fry!!
Anyway I hope our Air Force learnt some valuable lessons from this incident and will be better prepared next time. Mr Modi has set the expectation levels high and will be forced to retaliate at a much larger scale whenever the next terrorist attack happens.
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