India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Okay, can you tell me where the IAF went wrong and what they should do to improve that?
If we do tremendous damage to PN, the Chinese will cover the damages. 4 Chinese frigates are just $1B and 4 subs are even less than that. The Chinese can raise 1 PN every year without affecting their own modernisation. In exchange, half the IN will get tied up in the Arabian Sea instead of postring against the Chinese in BoB and the SCS.
This is what even @Falcon was pointing out, when he said all we need to do is funnel some money towards proxies in Afghanistan. This can drastically reduce our own defence spending. This is what Pakistan is doing to us.
It's only a delay, not a cost. Equipment that was supposed to be bought now will simply be bought another time. In India projects are delayed so badly, that the small delay Pakistan faces is of little consequence to them.
We should be able to thwart such large scale attacks , either by SAMs or Fighters in the Air
Secondly once we have attacked and are expecting Retaliation we should keep missiles and Bombers ready for Escalation
The thing is you are going to get a window of just 2 days , so make it count
There should be No meetings or warnings or phone calls
2 days full freedom to IAF
Chinese assistance is highly over rated
They are sucking them dry economically
And you think they will finance all ships for free
We cannot tie up our hands , worrying about Escalation
We have to Dominate the Escalation ladder
It was this worry about escalation
Because of which Man mohan Singh did
Nothing
Escalation Hurts Pakistan much more than it hurts us
We have to Dominate the Escalation ladder
It was this worry about escalation
Because of which Man mohan Singh did
Nothing
Escalation Hurts Pakistan much more than it hurts us
SAMs don't exist yet. And the IAF will tell you to give them more fighters, which they have been for the last 25 years.
What's the objective? What are we going to attack?
Why is the window only 2 days?
I think @STEPHEN COHEN beat me to it. While I don't agree with all his points, I'm in broad agreement with most of them.
Because after 2 days Pakistan will start their usual Crying and Telephonic calls
By the way did you see any appetite in Pakistan for an escalation after Feb 27
Escalation is a bogey , Pakistan gets scared when you start hitting them regularly
The Objective is of course military targets
Balakot terror camps are meaningless
Pakistan does not want either a Conventional conflict or a nuclear conflict
They only want to use proxies
But when they start loosing Military assets , they come to their senses
I tell you what is the problem of Pakistanis. Till 2010 Pakistanis were fighting American war in Afghanistan and now because they have a new master which is China they are fighting their war with India.
Indian aircrafts could have struck in Lahore aswell it's only 35 kms from the border. But Mansehra is a place from where Chinese cargo from Gwadar will be en-routed to western province of China, it's a CPEC corridor site. By now ISI analyst would have got it but can't say openly because it would be a political turmoil.
India knows that Pulwama was a Chinese plan making fool out of Pakistanis. And getting one of the Pakistani Pilots killed by Pakistanis on 27th and many soldiers in the aftermath on cross border skirmishes.
Chinese are making Pakistanis consumers of their goods by giving them loan to use their service to develop infrastructure for themsleves where Pakistanis will work and in return Pakistan has to pay interest to chinese. I mean who on earth signs such a foolish deal?
You should share your ideas with Babaji
He will take it forward
Ask him for a E mail address
Please refer to how we got to this post of yours. You've been claiming that China would supply ships & subs free of cost to PN. Now you're spinning it in something else. 2 very different topics.Kindly do not conflate issues.Don't force me to quote mine & your posts at this time of the night.
This is a political call. Modi & Doval for all their bluster don't seem keen to go down this path. I understand their hesitancy and partially endorse their narrative too.
It can be interpreted this way too but it's a cost. Coming out of their share of US aid.
Baba is some group c rank fellow in govt. most probably. He is not an influential person. He just follows orders.
@randomradio
See , 1 thing I am absolutely certain ,it is that IAF and IA
Did not sit quietly after Feb 27
It is another thing that these were un official
Attacks
But Having seen Pakistan ever since Kargil
I have never seen them so humble and keen
For deescalation
All we need is to
Compile everything that Happened this time
Get enough New Weapons , Equipment or you can say tools needed for inflicting pain
The Next assault should be Tri Service assault , They should be stunned and shocked
Lastly make an announcement , that you have hit Military Targets for Revenge
The whole program ends in 2 days
See , 1 thing I am absolutely certain ,it is that IAF and IA
Did not sit quietly after Feb 27
It is another thing that these were un official
Attacks
But Having seen Pakistan ever since Kargil
I have never seen them so humble and keen
For deescalation
All we need is to
Compile everything that Happened this time
Get enough New Weapons , Equipment or you can say tools needed for inflicting pain
The Next assault should be Tri Service assault , They should be stunned and shocked
Lastly make an announcement , that you have hit Military Targets for Revenge
The whole program ends in 2 days
The Chinese have provided a lot of tech to Pakistan for dirt cheap. JF-17 development costed them less than it cost us to develop Brahmos. And the jets are coming in at less than $25M a pop. Look at the cost of the ZDK-03 AWACS, each one is barely $70M or so. The frigates and subs are coming on easy loans as well.
The frigates and subs are dirt cheap as well.
Very different story. Chinese companies and banks are sucking them dry, which is mostly Pakistan's fault. The Chinese state is not.
That's not what "objective" means. What do you think will be gained by doing this?
Of course. They don't need to do it now, they only need to do it after PN has suffered losses. Or PA or PAF for that matter.
Do you know how much aid Pakistan received during wars with India?
Pain and Humiliation
For Pakistan nothing matters more than Gairat or Honour
You are stripping them in Daylight
And making an announcement too
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