You destroy their assets & annihilate some of their personnel. Something which would years and costly costly money to make good. Something that's payback for what our service personnel have been facing on the LoC and the IB for the past 3 decades.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Okay, but all this is in the future. What about Balakot? What special stuff do you think IAF should have done then?
I don't know. You tell me. As far as I'm concerned, IAF has done more than what they needed to do. They in fact exceeded expectations.
But it's you who thinks that's not enough. You are unhappy over this entire Balakot situation. So what is this thing that they haven't done?
That's part of the solution. For the short term. Since wars are ruled out. Including short wars lasting a few days or a week, all you have are skirmishes. We should make them count. The next time there's another Pulwama apart from a Balakote or a Muridke, it's Muzzafarabad / Sargodha which should / will be targetted.
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I am not at all thinking about Balakot or Feb 27
Because. It was a Fantastic learning curve
What ever we have NOT achieved this time
Can be achieved Next time
That is what is Really driving Pakistan crazy
But on our side we have to be bold and brash
You're again conflating two different issues. My grouse is over what happened on 27th Feb not on what transpired on 26th Feb. I'm saying and I'd be doing so for the last time, that the IAF were caught napping on 27th Feb. That's clearly the fault of the IAF. We should've responded immediately by targetting HVA of the PAF / PA, the very next day. That's where the GoI backed off.
That works only to a certain extent. Eventually it will become normal for them to get attacked too, and they will continue attacking India through proxies even though we retaliate.
They are shameless even about 1971 war. They celebrate the 1965 war as a great victory. They think they had the upperhand during Kargil. So what makes you think they have this honour you speak off? They can just lie about everything anyway.
Don't you already see the country is at war with terrorists they don't want to fight and they can't fight?
You forget that the average Pakistani is not smart enough to know anything beyond what they are told.
When we dont have wars for 20 years
And suddenly We will go to war we will see
Un happy results
Therefore we need a New Template for
A Mini War , which will last for 2 days
I think these new IBGs are good idea
They will be used to capture territory
And suddenly We will go to war we will see
Un happy results
Therefore we need a New Template for
A Mini War , which will last for 2 days
I think these new IBGs are good idea
They will be used to capture territory
Then by your logic, targetting Balakote was futile too. We should have emulated MMS post 26/11, taken it on the chin and moved on to accolades from the world media and leaders on our "strategic restraint ". Why did we even bother with Balakote?
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Let them deny , who cares
This is for our people ,
I am sure , next time people will demand
More Official action than just one Balakot
But Pakistan will Die by just having to keep pretending that , Everything is OK
They also know the costs
When their External debt Crosses 150 Billion, who will support them
Right now it is 101 B , it is increasing 10 Billion every year
Even China does not induct 4 frigates in a year... and where will the trained crew come from... Will they be resurrected from the dead, after China fishes out their pretty pakistani dead bodies from the ocean floor..
Pakistan wants a face saving exit from this conflict so that it can Recover and try again
Peace will come when it is completely
Exhausted and Broke
We have to Keep the pressure on them
Peace will come when it is completely
Exhausted and Broke
We have to Keep the pressure on them
Attacking Balakot was a big deal because that's the number of terrorists that sneak into India every year. That attack was worth a year of peace, maybe more.
But attacking Pak military willl quite literally serve no purpose except unite all the warring parties inside Pakistan against a common enemy. Why are you giving such ridiculously counterproductive ideas? It is completely in Pakistani Army's interest that we hit them. Then all they have to do is sell the idea that they are under attack and remove all domestic pressures away from them.
The next time a major attack happens, we will hit terrorist camps again, not their military.
What constitutes as payback is not that we hit them, it's the fact that they can't do anything after we hit them. Balakot and the subsequent attack on the IAF did exactly that.
Our aim is to show to the world that Pakistan is a rogue state, not wrestle with a pig. We can't do anything to Pakistan short of war.
Which means a better bet is to put economic pressure on Pakistan. Which means we need the support of the international community. Which means we cannot attack Pakistan willy-nilly. Read post 10193 for context.
Because may be US supported Pakistan during MMS time and told MMS, "see dude we don't want Indian planes spanking Pakistan for now because we have got them busy in Afghanistan, so any revenge you want to take, take it there but be covert". Well it's India's fault again that did not happen.
Now Indian planes spanked them where Chinese have their CPEC roads built, that will make SAM happy. So in other words India took the advantage, it spanked both Pak and China and this is the reason why Chinese were not happy with Masood Azhar being declared as global terrorists. Finally why would they? They used him via Pakistanis to do Pulwama.
Chinese are hurting Indian economy by funding enemies of India to keep India busy in tumoil and India is replying them back where it hurts them the most in 3rd country.
So in every case, it's the chinese playing smart by not getting directly involved and using Pakistan to hurt India. I wouldn't be surprozed if Chinese hand is found out in funding strikes in SL for not letting Chinese expand.
You are Wrong , Balakot was a terror camp
But the other targets were not , they were
Military targets
Do you really think Pakistan is behaving
So Humbly after we killed a few terrorists
They have been Hit and Hurt
The only thing is these were scattered and Random over 2 or 3 months
Therefore this prolonged state of Readiness
And CAPs are hurting them , keeping them
Off balance
Last week too they were expecting Surgical Strikes , PAF was alert for 2 days and was
Flying CAPs
Why do they want de escalation so badly
All we want is to make it quick
2 days of heavy beating and that too officially
Please inform the families of those 10 IA / RR / CAPF personnel who lost their lives last week. Tell them they ought to feel better it was only their families whereas if we didn't do a Balakote, there'd be at least 40 more such families mourning. I'm sure they'd appreciate your logic and optimism. Or is it rationalization.
True. But wars - short or long aren't fought on sentiments alone. You need money , material and trained personnel for it. Let them be as United as they can be. And let's see what this unity throws at us. Post 27th Feb, we had the perfect alibi to target their military installations and the GoI backed out. No matter. Pakistan being what it is will present us with many such opportunities in the future. Hopefully this GoI and our armed forces won't squander such opportunities.
That's for a start. What happens when unlike 27th Feb, they're actually successful in targetting our military institutions. Will you be as sanguine about it as you are now?
They shot down one our MiG 21 and took our pilot as PoW, in case you didn't notice. Apart from the rank confusion they caught the IAF in which in turn resulted in gaping holes in our AD and one helo down to friendly fire. All these, you consider as spectacular performance by the IAF.
Didn't I mention earlier that the line between optimism and self delusion is a very thin one. One can't tell where does one end and the other begin
Pakistan is already considered to be a rogue state, in case you haven't noticed. They've been fortunate enough, for various reasons, to escape the fate of rogue nations. It's left to our lot that we ought to make them pay the price for going rogue.
Would recommend reading this article.
China’s vast fleet is tipping the balance against U.S. in the Pacific
Anyway, my point is China can easily afford to rebuild PN from scratch without it affecting them in any way.
Frankly till date, we haven't a clue as to why was 26/11 executed. Theories vary from the PA wanting a diversion to excuse themselves from the demands the US was making off them to it being a rogue operation to the PA undermining Zardari's attempts at befriending India to a combination of some or all of these. The fact remains that we lost some 200 of our people and foreigners and we didn't react.
All that will do is end a lot of internal conflicts and PA will be allowed to focus on India. And some countries may decide to support Pakistan overtly after that.
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