India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Guynextdoor said:
@vstol Jockey @Arsalan123 @Falcon @nair

Shekar Gupta in his latest video points out something that we all missed.

Imran Khan in his NYT Article clearly states that 'We Shot down one Indian Air Force plane and captured the pilot'. He has put that debate to rest. Pakistan's official position is that only one Indian jet was shot down and pilot captured. (This is devastating Windy Bhai can no longer pleasure himself to the idea of a Sukhoi falling from the sky :( )
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I had pointed this out the day he wrote the article. I had also pointed out the interview of Modi in which he stated that we downed an F-16 and killed two of their pilots.
 
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Guynextdoor said:
@vstol Jockey @Arsalan123 @Falcon @nair

Shekar Gupta in his latest video points out something that we all missed.

Imran Khan in his NYT Article clearly states that 'We Shot down one Indian Air Force plane and captured the pilot'. He has put that debate to rest. Pakistan's official position is that only one Indian jet was shot down and pilot captured. (This is devastating Windy Bhai can no longer pleasure himself to the idea of a Sukhoi falling from the sky :( )
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Other than the pindi fanboys and gafoora fans every 1 knew that only abhi was down......If there was one more down in India that too a Su30 the story would have been totally different, We probably would be discussing a totally different topic......

Now the response for 28th is pending and the last statement from CAS was " I dont comment on ongoing operations "........
 
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Guynextdoor said:
@vstol Jockey @Arsalan123 @Falcon @nair

Shekar Gupta in his latest video points out something that we all missed.

Imran Khan in his NYT Article clearly states that 'We Shot down one Indian Air Force plane and captured the pilot'. He has put that debate to rest. Pakistan's official position is that only one Indian jet was shot down and pilot captured. (This is devastating Windy Bhai can no longer pleasure himself to the idea of a Sukhoi falling from the sky :( )
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I posted this twice . First time was the very next day IK released the article... :p
 
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Other than the pindi fanboys and gafoora fans every 1 knew that only abhi was down......If there was one more down in India that too a Su30 the story would have been totally different, We probably would be discussing a totally different topic......

Now the response for 28th is pending and the last statement from CAS was " I dont comment on ongoing operations "........
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Are U still expecting pay back for 28 Feb?

Is it possible now?

Haven't we paid anything back yet?
 
I am quite confident this Pravin Sawhney chap is compromised. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever!!! I wonder what rank he had in the army?!!
Expect him to be bellow Captain!
 
In his presser Ghafoora looke totally dejected and in his speech he was totally unconfident. Although he has vaguely mentioned the possibility of war but this was wholly to satisfy local Abduls for some time. His manners clearly showed that Pak army has been taken aback by our response on loc and cost inflicted on them is very high.
 
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My own reading is that all the steps Modi's undertaking now was conceived much earlier but was delayed so as to give peaceful resolution a chance be it within Kashmir or w.r.t Pakistan. Mufti Mohammed Saeed's death and the subsequent uneasy relationship with the PDP confirmed what Modi & the top brass of the BJP long suspected. That, the political leadership in Kashmir be it the NC or PDP was severely compromised, self seeking, taking undue advantage of being Delhi's trusted ppl in Kashmir, was interested only in preservation of the status quo and as long as Pakistan kept up its support for the insurgency in Kashmir was more an impediment than part of the solution.

Basically, he gave a long rope to both Pakistan and the local leadership of the Kashmiris viz the PDP & NC to hang themselves thereby pre empting and absolving himself of any blame which given his image as an ultra nationalist, strong man & hardliner, he would definitely have attracted had he initiated such steps in his first term. There's also the small matter of him not commanding the majority in the RS which remains the case till date but deft political floor management saw the government thru on crucial bills viz Triple Talaaq, Article 370 , etc.


I think this article does capture some of what I'm trying to establish in my post. Excellent article.


The Road to 'Naya Kashmir'
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Thanks for that article. Brilliant, well written piece. I suggest everyone read it.
 
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Jaymax said:
DGISPR holding another presser tomorrow at 3:00 PM PST.
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DGISPR Press conference details

53 mins long

First few minutes. The usual BS, a course on Pakistan's geography, the delusions of being very important blah blah blah.
Next India is mean to us
Then he comes on Kashmir - script is is very much the same from the last few weeks.
Then an info graphic if you can call it - a light dispersion image copied from a class 11 physics book replacing VIBGYOR with PA's conflict levels.
Next came the turn of Microsoft Office's default clip arts (Office 2010 or earlier by the looks of it) - for Pakistan's response through various mediums.
Then its Kashmir whining again and delusions that Pakistan has won the media and diplomatic blitz (SMH)
Mixed signals - we must not give in to India's designs, but if India doesnt stop Pakistan will react
Random promises to Kashmiris
Funniest part - Pakistan's independence efforts started in 1857 - take that historians. Screw facts.
Kashmir is our jugular vein. If all other options fail, then war is a compulsion. Choice is for India to make.

Questions begin.

Questions on balancing US-China relations. How Bajwa's extension fits in.
Kapoora takes potshots at media, praises for President Trump who among other things is a "Straightforward Leader"
Denies that a deal was made on Kashmir

Army chief extension was the perogative of the Prime Minister. Bajwa was unhappy but followed orders. My stomach hurts from laughing so hard.

One of the better questions - If Kashmir is your jugular vein and all options are not working then why no war? We see no results otherwise.
Kapoora gave some BS gyan for class participation. Again some noise on military action being on the table, Kapoora did not show his cards (ok some smart moves by him)

Questions on Sheikh Rasheed's 250 gm (paay) bombs. Whats the true deterrence capability vs. Cold Start.
Kapoora ducks like his wife caught him cheating

Hamid Mir - PA has 200,000 troops on Pak Afghan border. Indian leadership is eyeing PoJK. Any moves from India - will they cause moving of those troops to Kashmir. What will be the western reaction
Kapoora - India judges us to be weak post 20 yrs of constant fighting. We are upgrading our borders post which we will move those troops to the east. This is why India does not want peace on the western border. But India is our primary threat. They should know - our everything and anything is for them. We have our plans ready. Public wants to know our plans - cant tell that. Plans are ready. Leave execution to us.

Question on Haaretz article - Israel Pak official links.
Kapoora says its 5th gen war propaganda. Shoutout to our boy Zaidu here

Question on Persian gulf situation and Iran Pak relations
More Class participation. Hints at India Iran interests with annoyance.

Copy to His Exellency - @Arsalan123 - Acting High Commissioner - Pakistan
 
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Ashwin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1169207145482637313

"Aur chai kaisi hai"

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Not only chai kaisi hai but also Khatirdari (3rd degree) kaisi hai....😁😁😂😂

Abhinandan caught by Pakistan, he became Hero not only in India but also in Pakistan with even Pak ladies going ga ga over Abhinandan and he categorically saying "I am not supposed to tell you that" attitude. Was returned to India within 72 hours with no conditions attached.

Now compare it with what Pak army has to offer. This cheap 72 hoors seeker who will whacked till death and no one to cremate....😏😏
 
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Jaymax said:
DGISPR Press conference details

53 mins long

First few minutes. The usual BS, a course on Pakistan's geography, the delusions of being very important blah blah blah.
Next India is mean to us
Then he comes on Kashmir - script is is very much the same from the last few weeks.
Then an info graphic if you can call it - a light dispersion image copied from a class 11 physics book replacing VIBGYOR with PA's conflict levels.
Next came the turn of Microsoft Office's default clip arts (Office 2010 or earlier by the looks of it) - for Pakistan's response through various mediums.
Then its Kashmir whining again and delusions that Pakistan has won the media and diplomatic blitz (SMH)
Mixed signals - we must not give in to India's designs, but if India doesnt stop Pakistan will react
Random promises to Kashmiris
Funniest part - Pakistan's independence efforts started in 1857 - take that historians. Screw facts.
Kashmir is our jugular vein. If all other options fail, then war is a compulsion. Choice is for India to make.

Questions begin.

Questions on balancing US-China relations. How Bajwa's extension fits in.
Kapoora takes potshots at media, praises for President Trump who among other things is a "Straightforward Leader"
Denies that a deal was made on Kashmir

Army chief extension was the perogative of the Prime Minister. Bajwa was unhappy but followed orders. My stomach hurts from laughing so hard.

One of the better questions - If Kashmir is your jugular vein and all options are not working then why no war? We see no results otherwise.
Kapoora gave some BS gyan for class participation. Again some noise on military action being on the table, Kapoora did not show his cards (ok some smart moves by him)
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when it comes to looting Pakistan, PA is in the forefront and when it comes to dying for Pakistan, they want the locals to do Jihad for them. What a shame these guys are. Chudiyaan bhejo inko aur bolo, intezaar hai Gazwa-e-Hind ka. Aao saalon.
 
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when it comes to looting Pakistan, PA is in the forefront and when it comes to dying for Pakistan, they want the locals to do Jihad for them. What a shame these guys are. Chudiyaan bhejo inko aur bolo, intezaar hai Gazwa-e-Hind ka. Aao saalon.
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All jokes apart I feel PA is prepping for limited action as part of their brinkmanship. Not enough to make us reach for the sledgehammer just enough to make the white boys come running.
 
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