India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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What will be situation if Pakistan disintegrates?
Cpec is no more in Baluchistan front.
Chinese will have to work with all the resulting countries.
India can have some leverage.
Pakistan will be looking at losing PoJK or Pakistan..
Surely when PoJK is taken, Baluchistan will have maximum chances..
Corner plot manager s can plan on getting corner ( resource rich) countries. .
Cpec is no more in Baluchistan front.
Chinese will have to work with all the resulting countries.
India can have some leverage.
Pakistan will be looking at losing PoJK or Pakistan..
Surely when PoJK is taken, Baluchistan will have maximum chances..
Corner plot manager s can plan on getting corner ( resource rich) countries. .
Our artillery is not what we would have liked it to be.
In rocket artillery, thanks to Pinaka production, Smerch acquisition and repair/refurbish program for BM21 fleet, we pretty much out gun them by big margin.
They have advantages in having more mobile artillery systems than us. We are just now starting to get the K9. Maybe have 15 units right now. Their concentration of strike groups in their punjab will have 450+ pieces of SPH. 155mm M109 guns and 203mm M110 guns.
In towed guns area, they would have 300-350 155mm guns. We have around 500-550 guns.
In lower caliber, our field guns of 105 mm out range their all guns from 105mm, to 122mm and 130mm actually. And we have a lot of them.
This is just a rough pic of situation.
Rest for any details @Milspec
Idea is to push then back.... Stockpile is huge near LOC....The best way to do is attack the supply line.....If you keep the terrorists in isolated places then the risk of loosing them high.....The other option is to keep them in populated areas....That will make easy for us to keep a track as the Intel would be more accurate.....
Sir, egarly waiting for Confirmation of @vstol Jokey sir's claim from you...Did we do this
....(regarding top officers killing of Pakistan..)
Although Pakistanis have more 155mm artillery compared to us, their guns have just half the range.
Their best gun with the most range is a Chinese copy of the Russian M-46, which is 130mm. And we also have these guns, but we have upgraded about 200 of these guns to 155mm and are in the process of upgrading 300 more, the range is about 30% more. And this is not even close to being our best gun.
The problem with our artillery is we have a lot of smaller 105mm and 122mm guns that are obsolete and need replacement. But even these provide some level of equivalency with Pakistan.
Our new and upcoming ATAGS, Dhanush, Atmos, M777 and K9, along with whatever MGS we choose soon, are simply too much for Pakistan to deal with.
So our artillery situation is not as bad as it's made out to be. We have significant superiority over Pakistan here.
We have talked about it aleady. It will give us direct access to Central Asia.
@Falcon says 7 days by going through the plains or 14 days by going over mountains.
I doubt China will do anything to stop that. They have their own problems. And if India takes over and gives them assurances that most of CPEC will be safe, then it works in China's favour. The Chinese have more interest in gaining India as a market for BRI than propping up Pakistan.
The 105 mm Indian Field Gun(IFG) ? That tiny little thing is out gunning 130 mm ? How ?
You still sure about the ATMOS being purchased ?
The advantage that the ATAGS brings will be eroded away if they don't come in time, that's what I fear. The Army's non-stop trials and delays in placing orders might work against them. Weren't 40 ATAGS ordered ? Anything new on that ?
We are going to need a lot more of those K9s to make up for our poor numbers in tracked SPHs. Any word on additional unit orders ? Have the K9s seen some action in the ongoing cross-border artillery fires ? Seemed like the perfect opportunity to try out new gear.
Yes.. with IBGs going live soon.. we would need hundreds more...
On the Other side of the LOC , the Terrain is still mountainous
This Mountainous Terrain is the Biggest obstacle for pushing and moving inside PoK
All Civilians are armed with AK 47s
Right now we are just pushing them back
From the LOC because a large number of
Fidayeens are being prepared to attack our posts
Recently when US Iran Tensions were
Flaring up , A Russian analyst said that
Once US Iran war breaks out , China will
Immediately attack Taiwan
If we really want to hurt Pakistan the Best
Terrain is the 198 Km Jammu border
Full of kinks and bends
Grab territory , Kill their soldiers
According to Pakistan ,this is still Working Boundary not IB
The problem for me is we shouldn't take any major armed action until such time that we are fully prepared for full scale war.
As of this moment, I do not know if we are fully ready to take on Pakistan by keeping the war short and our casualties to a minimum, while also being able to prevent the Pakistanis from successfully attacking Indian cities with nuclear weapons.
If we are ready on this front, then taking back PoJK using armed action should be very high on the agenda. Or else we risk repeating the Pakistani failure in 1965 when we decided to open up the international border to war. The Pakistanis could end up doing the same thing to us.
Anyway, I suppose IA is also prioritising finishing up with their restructuring plan before they plan to do anything. We should have all the IBGs we need for the Pakistani front in the next 2 years.
apologies for the personal affront...
My bad. I meant to say ATHOS, not ATMOS. ATHOS won a tender to supply 1580 guns, but 1180 guns will be ATAGS instead. So 400 guns from here. Funnily enough the 52cal ATHOS is cheaper than the 45cal Dhanush.
I think the tender should be scrapped. We no longer have any need to import artillery of this class anymore.
Nothing new here. 150 were cleared, and first lot is 40 guns.
I agree, we need more. I think the plan is to buy 18 regiments worth.
And no, no action seen.
A big chunk of Indian muslims still believe in Pakistan as the real messiah of the sub-continent. They act and behave in the same way we have seen Niazi and Fawad spit venom in recent days.
It would be best in the interest of India to allow Pakistan grow into infighting and civil war like Syria. That is when this percentage of muslims in India will realize how power in hands of few muslims within Pakistan is used to kill their own likes. On the other hand Modi should promote UCC and put overall prosperity of Indians in top gear.
This psychological understanding when understood by muslims in India, will make them realize the prosperous environment in which they live and thrive. It would force them to change their behavior and become responsible citizens. Modi should also ensure that illiteracy will ensure poverty and literacy and education will lead to prosperity. This way he can bring most muslims in India in mainstream.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, whichever way we adopt, through internal civil war or an aggression by India, both will act as CSD for them. The former though is more gainful for India. And POJK will for sure be recovered.
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