Sir.
Its a merry go round here.
Rules of Engagements as issued by GoI? Aint difficult to appreciate the limitations thereof.
India - Pakistan Standoff 2019
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Sir.
Its a merry go round here.
Rules of Engagements as issued by GoI? Aint difficult to appreciate the limitations thereof.
You should take a break for a few days
This Topic is so Stupid
Why are people So Hyper Critical
Our REAL loss was.the Mi 17
Everything else was.a positive
If You fight a war AFTER 48 YEARS
You will Not get Perfect RESULTS
What is your opinion regarding the Balakot strikes? Was the target really at Jabba top as in being speculated in the media and the craters which they claim to be made by SPICE munitions? Or was the target at a different place?
I am well aware and if you remember my posts just after this incident, i had stated that ROE were changed after this incident.
The casualties in Balakote - Chakothi - Muazzafarabd strikes were quite high. I won't say 250 or that figure, but overall , triple figures were achieved.
Most of the F 16s were Arranged in a BARCAP position
They were waiting for an Ambush
But they Did NOT expect a MIG 21 to Charge at them
They were expecting Su 30.or Mirage to be Trapped in the Ambush
It takes time for aircraft to reach a location, get in position to get a lock and to actually fire a weapon, all the while trying not to get shot out of the sky itself. This time is 100x more than the time spent by AC moving into areas for technical violation, firing and moving back. It is physics.
Please think these things ..
And no they had not violated ROE. ROE is issued by Government of India to IAF ... not to IAF and PAF
For PAF , THE Situation is FUBAR
THEY KNOW A MIG 21 SHOT DOWN A F 16
We have PROVED that F16 are useless in WVR combat
We STILL HAVE 100 plus Bisons
Next Time when their GCI or Awacs operator Screams "MIG 21 Bison at 3 O Clock "
The PAF guys will Eject immediately
THEY KNOW A MIG 21 SHOT DOWN A F 16
We have PROVED that F16 are useless in WVR combat
We STILL HAVE 100 plus Bisons
Next Time when their GCI or Awacs operator Screams "MIG 21 Bison at 3 O Clock "
The PAF guys will Eject immediately
What is retaliation? Is it merely an aircraft for an aircraft? Or is it more worth the while to appear beaten when you work to bring the enemy down completely?
....And how does that invalidate any of the points I have written?
huh....couldn't have given a more disgraceful answer. My reply was to a specific point. IF asking for some decency for the dead gets the type of response you gave, I guess soldiers being demotivated has real reasons.Let me be very clear. No body has forced you or your family members to join the forces. Be very clear on that. I am ...
Look, If you are going to give one liners & nonsensical answers, don't bother replying. If you have anything substantial to discuss, point it out.
Oh, so Chakothi and Muzafarabad were also hit? I thought that was just misinformation. Thanks, for clarifying.
Sir.
When I have views on military affairs, I write them as opinions. Right now, for this, I have specific information that I use to deny/correct/corroborate statements made here.
My Dear Sir.
The reason I am here so long is because of the nonsense that is going on here. I am usually very rare nowadays. But nonsense has a 'use by' date. The date is today.
In this incident, one of the least understood part is that of the No-2 of Abhi. He heard the call to return and turned back. He was supposed to stick to his leader and follow him around irrespective of the instructions he got. In a formation, the sole responsibility is that of the formation leader. Other members are never punished for following the instructions of their leader. This No-2 did not even try to contact his leader that they have been asked to go cold. He just turned away after dealing with an AMRAAM. If he had stayed in the fight, I am very sure that WC Nauman Ali would not have been able to shoot down ABHI as he would have got sandwiched between ABHI and his no-2.
ALL this Endless Discussion is going on
Because Indian Govt has NOT disclosed
The ACTIONS AND EVENTS AFTER FEB 27
, That is the Undeclared Revenge attacks
Because if we do so , our people will Start
Singing " Modi Modi " , But Pakistan will
Get More Desperate for US and UN intervention
There will be More Pressure on India to De escalate
The Reason Pakistan is in NO mood to fight
With India is Simply because it has Seen
Where it Stands
Because Indian Govt has NOT disclosed
The ACTIONS AND EVENTS AFTER FEB 27
, That is the Undeclared Revenge attacks
Because if we do so , our people will Start
Singing " Modi Modi " , But Pakistan will
Get More Desperate for US and UN intervention
There will be More Pressure on India to De escalate
The Reason Pakistan is in NO mood to fight
With India is Simply because it has Seen
Where it Stands
Before Balakot, the prevailing consensus on this forum was - IAF could achieve air superiority over PAF very quickly. What some members did not appreciate was it was in context of a shooting war and not in limited actions where the mandate is to keep things from going wild. 27 Feb was a rude jolt for them. They were half expecting all 24 PAF planes to be shot down .They just see PAF snuck a cheap shot in and want revenge.
I am glad Abhinandan got the F-16. But I would have been happier if he had turned back and landed that day without a kill and let the govt. press Pakistan as per the original plan.
GOI is the only party here with the full information. They processed it and deemed it unsuitable to launch a full war in Feb. We have to live with it.
And contrary to the the wild fantasies here, 370 was not nixed in response to Feb but is on a totally different thread titled - Modi has given up on Pakistan.
I am glad Abhinandan got the F-16. But I would have been happier if he had turned back and landed that day without a kill and let the govt. press Pakistan as per the original plan.
GOI is the only party here with the full information. They processed it and deemed it unsuitable to launch a full war in Feb. We have to live with it.
And contrary to the the wild fantasies here, 370 was not nixed in response to Feb but is on a totally different thread titled - Modi has given up on Pakistan.
Because emotions have zero value in military actions. Hence the rather long post was exactly a rant. And I agreed.
Death is neither glorious son, nor graceful. Get it into your head. It is the humiliation that every living being has to face at the end of his/her life, the ultimate sacrilege upon the person of those who were alive recently. Death on a battlefield, home or away, is undignified. And you sign on to it, knowing the price that you maybe expected to pay. Every soldier accepts it or thinks he/she has accepted it (these are the ones who break and run in firefight). Just too bad if the realities do not correlate with your romantic notions of dying on the battlefield.
Am not here to give you the sugar coated lying glorification of 'sacrifice'. Am here to tell you as things stand. If you can take it, good for you, if not, does not really affect me
Nonsensical to the non-discerning mind only. Grow up and open up that screwed up brain of yours.
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