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I have already said that kargil was a response to indian attack on siachen.you launched a big military operation just to get siachen.was it justified? Now you occupy this place.there was no talks on siachen.you can't do this type of attacks everytime.71 was indian action as well.it was unfortunate that Pakistan planned kargil during vajpayeee era.i think vajpayeee wanted solution and was very kind but again,Musharraf tried to solve it with mr.manmoham Singh but everything failed.
Oh so Kargil was exactly planned when our PM was visiting Pakistan isnt it?
Siachen was captured as we had info that Pakistan is going to occupy it.
Dont blame India for 71.
We want Pakistan to remain as enemy ,it helps keep our country united. Need some external threat. Same is for Pakistan.
Well for J&K , Ladakh(58%) of territory is already lost , its a separate UT. Even Jammu is lost.
Only question is Kashmir valley.
Take valley ,give Gilgit Baltistan
 
Oh so Kargil was exactly planned when our PM was visiting Pakistan isnt it?
Siachen was captured as we had info that Pakistan is going to occupy it.
Dont blame India for 71.
We want Pakistan to remain as enemy ,it helps keep our country united. Need some external threat. Same is for Pakistan.
Well for J&K , Ladakh(58%) of territory is already lost , its a separate UT. Even Jammu is lost.
Only question is Kashmir valley.
Take valley ,give Gilgit Baltistan
Come to the negotiation table.we will give you respect but please stop hostility.i know why you knew about siachen plan.it was British company who gave away this information to India.all in all,you can't attack and occupy lands everytime.it is very sad.i understand your feelings related to kargil but look at us.we lost our part in 71 and even siachen to India in 84.is this fair?
 
Come to the negotiation table.we will give you respect but please stop hostility.i know why you knew about siachen plan.it was British company who gave away this information to India.all in all,you can't attack and occupy lands everytime.it is very sad.i understand your feelings related to kargil but look at us.we lost our part in 71 and even siachen to India in 84.is this fair?
Have patience more is to come. Once we connect india with central asia. We can discuss peace. By then you would be in a very miserable position both politically and militarily.
Talks haven’t helped last 7 decades what makes you think it will be any different now? Dont say establishment and civil society are on the same page. You military will overthrow your selected PM soon. He is reaching his expiration date.
 
Come to the negotiation table.we will give you respect but please stop hostility.i know why you knew about siachen plan.it was British company who gave away this information to India.all in all,you can't attack and occupy lands everytime.it is very sad.i understand your feelings related to kargil but look at us.we lost our part in 71 and even siachen to India in 84.is this fair?
Stop cross border terrorism and then we can talk. India is always ready for talks but its Pakistan that is stopping it by indulging in terrorism.
Dont blame us for 71
 
This is the problem.you aren't ready to talk about Kashmir but wants solution on terrorism topic.terrorism is because of this land Kashmir and without solution of Kashmir,things will stay same.it is your job to negotiate.at least give suggestions or solutions.

Read my comment again. The solution is handing over PoK and shutting down terror.

Else you know elections are coming and now even the temple issue is done. You guys are the only item left on the agenda.
 
This is the problem.you aren't ready to talk about Kashmir but wants solution on terrorism topic.terrorism is because of this land Kashmir
Is there anyone in history that has willingly given up on a winning formula? If India negotiates peace in kashmir, in return for Pakistan stopping its terror proxies, it would only justify Pakistan's long held belief that jihadi proxies work wonders. Pakistan would go on to use these same proxies to carry on terror attacks in rest of india, saying it needs to protect "vulnerable dara hua mussalmann" in the rest of India.
That is why this government has turned the tables on Pakistan. These jihadi proxies will cost you money and territory. Instead of gaining, you will keep losing territory.
 
Is there anyone in history that has willingly given up on a winning formula? If India negotiates peace in kashmir, in return for Pakistan stopping its terror proxies, it would only justify Pakistan's long held belief that jihadi proxies work wonders. Pakistan would go on to use these same proxies to carry on terror attacks in rest of india, saying it needs to protect "vulnerable dara hua mussalmann" in the rest of India.
That is why this government has turned the tables on Pakistan. These jihadi proxies will cost you money and territory. Instead of gaining, you will keep losing territory.
Even if you give entire J&K and sir creek to them, they will still use terror against us. Please remember the fight is not for territory, the fight is to convert hindus of India to Islam and rule entire India and make it islamic state.
 
Is there anyone in history that has willingly given up on a winning formula? If India negotiates peace in kashmir, in return for Pakistan stopping its terror proxies, it would only justify Pakistan's long held belief that jihadi proxies work wonders. Pakistan would go on to use these same proxies to carry on terror attacks in rest of india, saying it needs to protect "vulnerable dara hua mussalmann" in the rest of India.
That is why this government has turned the tables on Pakistan. These jihadi proxies will cost you money and territory. Instead of gaining, you will keep losing territory.
There is no room for any negotiations, I hope NDA wouldn't fall in this trap.
 
Nobody died.i am sure about that and next day,we created air Superiority but we targeted empty places.just think about Pakistan targeting empty places.why we did that? I mean use common sense.today media is also powerful in Pakistan and I think nobody died.obviously it was probably intentional by iaf as well.they probably targeted empty places as well just to give warning.we did same next day.i give you credit for violating our airspace and infiltrating deep inside pakistan which is a huge achievement by iaf and a matter of concern for us.

paf deliberately targeted our installations with defused bombs to send a message. We deliberately bombed balakot because it was not pak armed forces or pak government. Iaf deliberately took a purely defensive position to have the option of not escalating when your jet came.

you don’t have air superiority. If iaf takes off it’s gloves and comes in force paf will fall. Make no mistakes.
There is no room for any negotiations, I hope NDA wouldn't fall in this trap.

there is always room for negotiation....with the right person on the other side. With nawaz, yes. Ik , no.
 
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This is the problem.you aren't ready to talk about Kashmir but wants solution on terrorism topic.terrorism is because of this land Kashmir and without solution of Kashmir,things will stay same.it is your job to negotiate.at least give suggestions or solutions.
What solution Pakistan wants?
Kashmir on platter?
I would say F....k Off to Pakistan. Does Pakistan has any authorised agreement with Kashmir's erstwhile maharaja Hari Singh like India has? NO.

You people are illegally occupying Indian territory. Move out that's the only solution we have now, since you refused respectable solutions of making LoC a de facto border and have peaceful relationship with India. Now that's changed with changed geopolitical situation. Earlier Pakistan was favourite pet of west but now since that turned rabid and India has emerged as one of pole of multi polar world no one wants to get on the wrong side of relationship with India. There is a slang hindi saying which fits on Pakistan. Aas kiya chauda hath main aaya L.........😁😁😁😂😂

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Have patience more is to come. Once we connect india with central asia. We can discuss peace. By then you would be in a very miserable position both politically and militarily.
Talks haven’t helped last 7 decades what makes you think it will be any different now? Dont say establishment and civil society are on the same page. You military will overthrow your selected PM soon. He is reaching his expiration date.
How can you connect India with central Asia? Lol
Stop cross border terrorism and then we can talk. India is always ready for talks but its Pakistan that is stopping it by indulging in terrorism.
Dont blame us for 71
We will stop everything if you give us invitation for the talks on Kashmir.as I said above,give us something in return.we can't listen to you everytime.sometime you have to come forward and start procedure.
 
Read my comment again. The solution is handing over PoK and shutting down terror.

Else you know elections are coming and now even the temple issue is done. You guys are the only item left on the agenda.
Too much overconfidence.it is clear that almost all members here wants war and no peace.
Is there anyone in history that has willingly given up on a winning formula? If India negotiates peace in kashmir, in return for Pakistan stopping its terror proxies, it would only justify Pakistan's long held belief that jihadi proxies work wonders. Pakistan would go on to use these same proxies to carry on terror attacks in rest of india, saying it needs to protect "vulnerable dara hua mussalmann" in the rest of India.
That is why this government has turned the tables on Pakistan. These jihadi proxies will cost you money and territory. Instead of gaining, you will keep losing territory.
Wrong assumption.everyone here wants a final solution.we wanted it since independence.
 
Even if you give entire J&K and sir creek to them, they will still use terror against us. Please remember the fight is not for territory, the fight is to convert hindus of India to Islam and rule entire India and make it islamic state.
This is totally wrong assumption.we don't want everything.i think you all wants war and no peace.this is what I understand.
 
This is totally wrong assumption.we don't want everything.i think you all wants war and no peace.this is what I understand.
No it is , Pakistan thinks it is the successor of the Islamic Mughal Empire hence Pakistani flag should be on red fort. But forget that Mughals were destroyed and humiliated by the Marathas. We will take what is ours.
There can bo no peace with civilizational enemy. To survive one has to be destroyed
 
How can you connect India with central Asia? Lol

We will stop everything if you give us invitation for the talks on Kashmir.as I said above,give us something in return.we can't listen to you everytime.sometime you have to come forward and start procedure.
No u wont , everytime India tried to talk ,u replied with terror attack. Pakistan should first decide it wants talks or terror?
We are not Afghanistan where u can carry out attacks and expect peace process to go smooth. We will give u a bloody nose
 
Move out that's the only solution we have now, since you refused respectable solutions of making LoC a de facto border and have peaceful relationship with India

It is like the lost opportunity by the Ram Janma Bhoomi plaitiff Iqbal Ansari who was offered huge sum in hundreds of Crores, and he being greedy refused asking for more, and now he has got Thainga with the Supreme Court verdict. Same will be the case with Paxtan on Kashmir.
 
It is like the lost opportunity by the Ram Janma Bhoomi plaitiff Iqbal Ansari who was offered huge sum in hundreds of Crores, and he being greedy refused asking for more, and now he has got Thainga with the Supreme Court verdict. Same will be the case with Paxtan on Kashmir.
I thought Jizia is 1/10th of a ka'afir's earnings . Isn't it? @safriz ; @Arsalan123
 
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Pakistan's Provocateurs Bring the Kashmir Conflict to Europe's Streets, and Radicalize Europe's Muslims.

Pakistan is deliberately encouraging anti-Hindu, anti-Indian incitement and thuggish protests, fueling tension between diaspora communities. Who will stop their intimidation and violence, before it's too late?

By Shairee Malhotra.
Nov 03, 2019 6:17 PM
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Demonstrators protest against the scrapping of the special constitutional status in Kashmir by the Indian government, outside the Indian High Commission in London, Britain, August 15, 2019 Credit : HENRY NICHOLLS/ REUTERS

In late October, during Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights, anti-India protests were held across London. In mid-August, on India’s Independence Day, I was inside the Indian embassy in Brussels as thousands of pro-Pakistan demonstrators loudly chanted anti-India slogans outside.

On the same day, in London, pro-Pakistan protestors trashed the Indian High Commission, pelting stones and eggs and breaking windows. In early September, the High Commission was vandalized again by protestors carrying flags of Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir.

On a much more personal note, a close Indian friend based in London recently described how he perceived as racist his arrest by a policeman of Pakistani origin for alleged drunk driving, despite being well under the alcohol limit. Whether the officer genuinely acted on bias, or this was merely my friend’s perception, one thing is clear: tensions on Kashmir are spilling over between Indian and Pakistani origin communities in the UK.

In the aftermath of the Indian government’s abrogation of Article 370, changing the constitutional status of Kashmir, Pakistan has created "Kashmir cells" at its embassies around the world in order to incite local populations against India. It is a campaign dedicated to bringing its sinister propaganda to an international audience – and to legitimizing its provocateurs to bring the Kashmir conflict on to Europe's streets.

This week, the 2019 Kashmir-EU Week takes place on the premises of the European Parliament. The chief guest is the so-called "Prime Minister" of the so-called "Azad" Kashmir - that part of Kashmir wholly under Pakistani occupation, but which Pakistan ironically refers to as "Free." The area has an appalling human rights record. According to Christine Fair, the Georgetown University professor who has spent decades studying the region, "Azad" Kashmir is Pakistan’s core launchpad for terrorists into India.

This is at least the third time that Raja Farooq Haider Khan is being feted in the EU capital, having also been hosted previously by both the European External Action Service - the official foreign policy arm of the EU - as well as the European Parliament.

When I first began working in Brussels in October 2015, I attended some of these pro- Azad Kashmir "events" to get a flavor and sense of the conversation around Kashmir in Europe.

The first that I attended was the so-called Kashmir Black Day - an annual event held by the Kashmir Council-EU every October to mark the Accession Day to India of the princely state of Jammu & Kashmir. Along the way, I attended several such events in formal political institutions in Europe - all of which, if one doesn’t want to use the term propagandist in nature, can be at least described as deliberately misleading, and lacking in nuance.

Living in European liberal democracies where freedom of speech and assembly are hallowed, I remained unfazed, although still surprised by the one-sidedness of it all. But what happens when peaceful political protest turns violent?

I now feel it's necessary to ask: Are these really still to be regarded as the peaceful protests of a well-meaning community on behalf of the human rights of Indian Kashmiris? At what point do they descend into racist and Hinduphobic acts, seeking to incite ethnic and religious hatred? Why is the Pakistani state, through its Kashmir cells directed by local embassies, so keen to export hatred and violence to Europe?

What does it mean for the future of diaspora Indians in Europe if their most important national and sacred holidays are serially hijacked by other communities by ugly protests, vandalism and intimidation?

How much more fragile could relations between the Indian and Pakistani diaspora in Europe become, when Pakistan is deliberately framing the Kashmir conflict as a religious war? When Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan predicts a "blood bath" in Kashmir, declares that if he was living there, "I would pick up a gun," and praises those standing by Kashmiris for doing "jihad"?

While pro-Pakistan goons are busy shrieking their lungs out on the streets of London and Brussels about human rights in India, the reality is that nobody except a Sunni Muslim is safe in Pakistan.

A country with systematic discrimination and rampant human rights abuses against ethnic populations such as Balochis and Pashtuns, religious minorities such as Hindus, Christians and Sikhs, Muslim minorities such as Shias, Hazaras, Ismailis and Ahmadiyas, really can't take the moral high ground. But, of course, it’s always easier to make a lot of noise about other people than look honestly at the problems at home.

India changed Kashmir's status to channel far more investment and development into the state, and to better integrate a region long plagued by extremism and violent unrest into the rest of the country - a move that is well-intentioned to its core. Although the curfew in Kashmir has been lifted, as have some restrictions on communications, the Internet lockdown is ongoing. That is due to the very real risk of Pakistan weaponizing the Internet to launch further terrorist attacks - as it has often done in the past.

On Kashmir, Pakistan's leaders are pretending to put on a mask of statesmanship abroad. But the truth is Pakistan has long cultivated, trained and funded Islamist proxy terrorists who have radically undermined living conditions in Kashmir.

Pakistan systematically amplifies the grotesque views of these terror perpetrators, dedicated to destabilizing India and fomenting unrest, giving them space to host large-scale rallies - such as a Lahore event addressed by the Mumbai terror attack perpetrators, and attended by thousands – and even to run as candidates in national elections.

As Christine Fair states, "New Delhi and Srinagar [the provincial capital of Kashmir] can only attempt to solve their very real problems if Pakistan stops its habit of terrorism."

India and the EU have a Strategic Partnership and cooperate on a whole spectrum of issues. But despite deadly Pakistani state-sponsored terrorist attacks on India, and despite the self-declared centrality of democracy to EU foreign policymaking, as reiterated in its 2019 Council Conclusions on Democracy, Europe sometimes appears to view democratic India and a Pakistan explicitly or implicitly ruled by the military on an equal footing.

As one of the key observers in Pakistan's 2018 elections, the EU is well aware of the dubious democratic process that brought Imran Khan to power.

Any close observer of the region knows that Kashmir is merely a symptom of the Indo-Pakistani enmity. The real problem is the nature of the Pakistani state. As Dr Siegfried Wolf, a leading Brussels-based expert on the region has stressed, "If the international community continues to ignore Pakistan’s state-sponsorship of terrorism, the future of South Asia looks extraordinarily grim."

The EU has a critical role in preventing Pakistan's narrative - exaggerating Kashmir's' sense of grievance and alienation, attempting to poison ordinary Kashmiris against India – from playing out in Europe, and recruiting European Muslims into a radicalizing campaign. A false sense of victimhood is the first pull towards potential radicalization.

India, the prime victim of Pakistan-backed terrorism, should garner far greater empathy, if not sympathy, in Europe's corridors of power.

Instead, the EU is ignoring the necessity of India’s choice of life over liberty, of the context of its temporary decision to freeze full human rights in Kashmir at a precarious time of rampant unrest, violence, extremism, radicalization, terrorism and killings.

Instead, Europe is damaging its normative values and credentials when it repeatedly hosts and legitimizes people like "Azad" Kashmir's Raja Farooq Haider Khan. And it is abandoning the very large, hardworking and successful diaspora Indian community to face alone Pakistan's intimidation and offensive propaganda.

The security of India's large diaspora community, whether in Europe, the U.S. or elsewhere, must be ensured - lest it push a well-mannered, well-integrated and tolerant community to the brink.

Pakistan's provocateurs bring the Kashmir conflict to Europe's streets, and radicalize Europe's Muslims | Opinion
 
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