India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

[lcafanboy]

Not related but very interesting.... @vstol Jockey @Falcon

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121377330448994305

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Unfortunately for India , oil prices are rising up again because of Trump

And here we have not changed them for many months

So the first order of business after elections
Will be oil prices Revision

Immediately Public appetite for War will Vanish

And then EL NINO is coming to spoil our monsoon

So more money for MNREGA and drought relief

 

[Hellfire]

Five of six designated targets were hit in Balakot: IAF review

Oh look! What a bunch of idiots. They should have consulted with the 'professionals' and experts on here to know the golden truth of life vide validating your claims and providing evidence is a completely unnecessary activity and you must be both a war-mongerer and anti national to ask for it.

Welcome back.

On point. From the write up:

Moreover, the IAF had also carried the Crystal Maze AGM 142 munition along with the Spice 2000 to hit the target. The Crystal Maze PGM could not, however, be fired because of heavy cloud cover which did not allow pilots to have a line of sight over the target area.

I agree. Bunch of idiots indeed. We do know that this paragraph is the funniest of all. Anyone with even the most basic of understanding of air operations, especially the planning and execution of offensive air operations, would laugh at this one. Why? Because meteorological reports are studied and operations are planned around that, not 'we will see how is the weather there, abhi yeh missile laga lo'
In addition, FACs along with GLOs in Infantry Brigades, will be giving weather inputs in real time just before a flight is undertaken in the area. Right before the actual take off.

So, IAF could not fire because of "heavy cloud cover which did not allow pilots to have a line of sight over the target area." is amusing to note indeed.

@randomradio @vstol Jockey your views on INS guidance on board the Crystal Maze (for initial guidance) and applicability of 'bad weather' precluding a launch?

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Modi has started working on His New
Economic Agenda

This will require huge investment

PM Modi asks top officials to prepare 100-day agenda; job, education, health sectors on focus

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I think War Mongers like US will have to wait till the Next Terror attack

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

I think the Best Time to beat Pakistan will be December

Good weather in the plains , Mountain passes closed so Chinese can Fcuk off

If there is a Good monsoon , inflation will be in Control , Oil prices will also settle down by then .

Till then we can keep Scaring them with CAPs and Dhanush Guns

 

[vstol Jockey]

Welcome back.

On point. From the write up:

Moreover, the IAF had also carried the Crystal Maze AGM 142 munition along with the Spice 2000 to hit the target. The Crystal Maze PGM could not, however, be fired because of heavy cloud cover which did not allow pilots to have a line of sight over the target area.

I agree. Bunch of idiots indeed. We do know that this paragraph is the funniest of all. Anyone with even the most basic of understanding of air operations, especially the planning and execution of offensive air operations, would laugh at this one. Why? Because meteorological reports are studied and operations are planned around that, not 'we will see how is the weather there, abhi yeh missile laga lo'
In addition, FACs along with GLOs in Infantry Brigades, will be giving weather inputs in real time just before a flight is undertaken in the area. Right before the actual take off.

So, IAF could not fire because of "heavy cloud cover which did not allow pilots to have a line of sight over the target area." is amusing to note indeed.

@randomradio @vstol Jockey your views on INS guidance on board the Crystal Maze (for initial guidance) and applicability of 'bad weather' precluding a launch?

No air operation is ever planned without taking the weather reports in considerations. This part of the write up is absolutely wrong. However I do know that some of the bombs could not be fired for various reasons but primary of them was that we were not able to mate them properly as the onboard computers did not communicate with the bombs/missiles carried.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121388946972454913

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

No air operation is ever planned without taking the weather reports in considerations. This part of the write up is absolutely wrong. However I do know that some of the bombs could not be fired for various reasons but primary of them was that we were not able to mate them properly as the onboard computers did not communicate with the bombs/missiles carried.

In the Next Six Months

If we can get Even 20 METEORS as an
Ad hoc purchase and Integrate with
Mirage 2000 , All Block 52s can be destroyed in One Day

Just Thinking out loudly

 

[Hellfire]

No air operation is ever planned without taking the weather reports in considerations. This part of the write up is absolutely wrong. However I do know that some of the bombs could not be fired for various reasons but primary of them was that we were not able to mate them properly as the onboard computers did not communicate with the bombs/missiles carried.

But wouldn't the initial targeting be based on the Radar inputs of the Launch Platforms (Mirage 2000 in this case) and not be affected by clouds? Only in case of terminal guidance, where an option of IIR/TV (EO) is there, will the targeting rely on feeds from the missile and in case of former i.e. IIR, would clouds be too much of an issue?

Am not sure about the IIR - cloud issue. Hence the query.

 

[vstol Jockey]

In the Next Six Months

If we can get Even 20 METEORS as an
Ad hoc purchase and Integrate with
Mirage 2000 , All Block 52s can be destroyed in One Day

Just Thinking out loudly

If my news is correct, the integration of Meteor with upgraded M2k is very much on table and being studied. French can do it very quick. Only thing is that M2K will have only one way data link with the missile.

 

[_Anonymous_]

In the Next Six Months

If we can get Even 20 METEORS as an
Ad hoc purchase and Integrate with
Mirage 2000 , All Block 52s can be destroyed in One Day

Just Thinking out loudly

How? There are nearly 80 F-16's.The math doesn't stack up. Besides the Meteors aren't deployed against FA.

 

[Jaymax]

I agree with you. But these retaliations will drain their resources and after that giving the final blow will take much less effort. We must engage them in this war of attrition for few more months and keep the pot boiling with occasional flare up.
Please read the story of battle of Longewal Given by Brig ZA Khan. It gives a deep insight into how Pakistanis plan their attacks and how ill equipped they were even in 1971. The same was posted here.
Battle of Longewala Dec 1971 (Pakistani Perspective BRIGADIER ZA KHAN, Pakistan Army, then Commanding Officer 38 Cavalry)

Pakistan will lie low for a while till it can strike again. It did not expect such a level of escalation right before Indian elections.

The world now considers the Pulwama episode a closed affair. Pakistan will make sure it does not give India any reason to go on the offensive. At the LoC, Indian Army pulled out all stops and Pakistan still did not escalate beyond local actions.

Pakistan will keep stick to low level mischief while trying to rethink their India approach. They will not give us another reason to attack for a while

 

[vstol Jockey]

But wouldn't the initial targeting be based on the Radar inputs of the Launch Platforms (Mirage 2000 in this case) and not be affected by clouds? Only in case of terminal guidance, where an option of IIR/TV (EO) is there, will the targeting rely on feeds from the missile and in case of former i.e. IIR, would clouds be too much of an issue?

Am not sure about the IIR - cloud issue. Hence the query.

The PGMs have their own navigation computers. They need to know, where they are and where do they need to go. The aircraft is required to get the launch parameters correct in terms of speed and altitude and launch envelope like G-forces. M2Ks in this raid did not use their radars but had fed the target coordinates to the missile/bomb before take off. Only in case of semi active PGMs like LGBs or beam riders, we need to have some kind of illumination of the target done. At the time of launch when we switch on the master fire switch and select the bomb/missile, the aircraft data is passed to the bomb/missile automatically from aircraft weapon aiming computers. This data if correctly acquired by the bomb/missile, gives a launch clearance to the pilot and after that he presses the button to release it. In case of any problem in this data sharing between the platform and bomb/missile, Pilot will not get launch command.
The IIR bombs can also be fired with a cloud cover provided it is mid altitude cloud cover. IIR compares the target area with the digital image stored in its memory so it needs that time in flight after braking thru the clouds. But these IIR bombs are also designed to fly to the target purely on INS/GPS guidance also. I don't think cloud cover over target was a problem. Infact I heard that the time of attack was chosen primarily because it was overcast with a cloud cover. Weather can be a friend also in such raids.

 

[hellbent]

Sir can we destroy their Ground based Radars with Anti Radiation Missiles

Mr Prasun Sengupta has in the past talked of EMP warheads brought from Israel for SEAD operations

I can confirm 2 desi types

1. Rope chaff used to take out electric grids
2. Explosive driven HPM system for a EMP bomb either based on explosively pumped flux compression generator or explosive driven magneto hydrodynamic generator. They were working on both , however it seems they preferred the latter.

I have a very old pic of the experimental setup which was used to prove the core technologies required. And it matches with open source description of emp bomb , only problem was the power source , which was large , however breakthroughs by BARC had cleared the hurdle long ago.

 

[vstol Jockey]

I can confirm 2 desi types

1. Rope chaff used to take out electric grids
2. Explosive driven HPM system for a EMP bomb either based on explosively pumped flux compression generator or explosive driven magneto hydrodynamic generator. They were working on both , however it seems they preferred the latter.

I have a very old pic of the experimental setup which was used to prove the core technologies required. And it matches with open source description of emp bomb , only problem was the power source , which was large , however breakthroughs by BARC had cleared the hurdle long ago, they used MILO to remain with the relevant SWaP constraints.

If I tell you that we have Neutron bomb as an answer to Pak nukes, will you believe it? We will kill all Pakistanis without destroying anything on ground and just movein within one day in the effected area to burn the dead bodies. Our Population will move into the houses of Pakistanis overnight.
Difficult to believe, is it not? But trust me it is very much a probability. No idiot ever gave our scientists the permission to do what they wanted to do. Modi did.

 

[Hellfire]

The PGMs have their own navigation computers. They need to know, where they are and where do they need to go. The aircraft is required to get the launch parameters correct in terms of speed and altitude and launch envelope like G-forces. M2Ks in this raid did not use their radars but had fed the target coordinates to the missile/bomb before take off. Only in case of semi active PGMs like LGBs or beam riders, we need to have some kind of illumination of the target done. At the time of launch when we switch on the master fire switch and select the bomb/missile, the aircraft data is passed to the bomb/missile automatically from aircraft weapon aiming computers. This data if correctly acquired by the bomb/missile, gives a launch clearance to the pilot and after that he presses the button to release it. In case of any problem in this data sharing between the platform and bomb/missile, Pilot will not get launch command.
The IIR bombs can also be fired with a cloud cover provided it is mid altitude cloud cover. IIR compares the target area with the digital image stored in its memory so it needs that time in flight after braking thru the clouds. But these IIR bombs are also designed to fly to the target purely on INS/GPS guidance also. I don't think cloud cover over target was a problem. Infact I heard that the time of attack was chosen primarily because it was overcast with a cloud cover. Weather can be a friend also in such raids.

Exactly sir. Thank you for the input.

I am merely blowing holes into these jokers. Being a former user of the tech in question, your views are really appreciated.

Had a hectic day with Vishnu Som. The poor guy has no clue as again, I can assure that the A-50 on station during the strike, relayed the EO guidance feed from SPICE onto designated viewers. Twitter being limited in scope, and he being 'established expert' was pretty much a one sided waste of time.

The most significant point is that feed was given, recordings exist from two different platforms of two different services. The political decision remains in not releasing the videos (no clue why). But it also affords an excellent opportunity to keep hitting the enemy at will, while he denies being hit.

A win-win I say

 

[vstol Jockey]

Exactly sir. Thank you for the input.

I am merely blowing holes into these jokers. Being a former user of the tech in question, your views are really appreciated.

Had a hectic day with Vishnu Som. The poor guy has no clue as again, I can assure that the A-50 on station during the strike, relayed the EO guidance feed from SPICE onto designated viewers. Twitter being limited in scope, and he being 'established expert' was pretty much a one sided waste of time.

The most significant point is that feed was given, recordings exist from two different platforms of two different services. The political decision remains in not releasing the videos (no clue why). But it also affords an excellent opportunity to keep hitting the enemy at will, while he denies being hit.

A win-win I say

Even I had stated that SPICE2000 had sent the target pics back to the launch platforms and also other platforms equipped to recieve that feed. All SPICE bombs have this relay feature of BDA inbuilt.

 

[_Anonymous_]

The political decision remains in not releasing the videos (no clue why). But it also affords an excellent opportunity to keep hitting the enemy at will, while he denies being hit.

I've a hunch, Modi being who he is, will probably release the footage close to the last 3 phases of voting.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Exactly sir. Thank you for the input.

I am merely blowing holes into these jokers. Being a former user of the tech in question, your views are really appreciated.

Had a hectic day with Vishnu Som. The poor guy has no clue as again, I can assure that the A-50 on station during the strike, relayed the EO guidance feed from SPICE onto designated viewers. Twitter being limited in scope, and he being 'established expert' was pretty much a one sided waste of time.

The most significant point is that feed was given, recordings exist from two different platforms of two different services. The political decision remains in not releasing the videos (no clue why). But it also affords an excellent opportunity to keep hitting the enemy at will, while he denies being hit.

A win-win I say

Btw, why does the HT news report that @BlackOpsIndia quotes of the IAF's internal assessment make no mention of the other two sites that were targeted. Was Balakote the only target? Why then did the FS say 3 sites were targeted on 26th Feb? Would appreciate clarity on the issue, if you can shed light on it.

 

[vstol Jockey]

I've a hunch, Modi being who he is, will probably release the footage close to the last 3 phases of voting.

Off topic, but the way elections are going, He is coming back with a bigger majority of his own. he does not need to do anything funny now. Pakistan can sleep peacefully till 23rd. But if things had not worked out as per BJP, maybe we could have seen some additional action on borders. The age group between 18-30 is overwhelmingly voting for BJP. Young hot blood, likes decisive guys with a penchant for street fights. Modi has done just that.