India - Pakistan Standoff 2019

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Paro said:
Heavy water board. Exports to US, South Korea, Finland etc.
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vstol Jockey said:
You got it. We are exporting the stuff to USA to help them boost their new gen devices. After this if anyone thinks that we lag behind pak is nothing but stupidity.
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There is this process called Liquid Phase Catalytic Exchange(LPCE) that was invented and patented by the BARC. The process was to remove some radioactive materials from Heavy water, if I am not wrong. Looking at the patent/research papers some international watchdogs commented on how this would allow India to quickly stockpile large quantities of Tritium/Deuterium, Tritium is apparently needed in the construction of H-bombs. This was reported at least a decade ago, God knows what those guys are up to now.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
You got it. We are exporting the stuff to USA to help them boost their new gen devices. After this if anyone thinks that we lag behind pak is nothing but stupidity.
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I use to archive such material in my last job. One of the interesting stories I read was about a Norway ship with heavy water disappearing in the Indian ocean and reappearing in a scrapyard somewhere near Vizag if I remember correctly :LOL:.
 
Gautam said:
There is this process called Liquid Phase Catalytic Exchange(LPCE) that was invented and patented by the BARC. The process was to remove some radioactive materials from Heavy water, if I am not wrong. Looking at the patent/research papers some international watchdogs commented on how this would allow India to quickly stockpile large quantities of Tritium/Deuterium, Tritium is apparently needed in the construction of H-bombs. This was reported at least a decade ago, God knows what those guys are up to now.
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i believe you are talking about this one
https://www.ias.ac.in/article/fulltext/boms/037/06/1485-1488
 
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Noodler said:
Did IAF miss out on an opportunity to make a bold statement by taking down all Pakistan Air Force jets when they crossed the LoC on Feb 27th?
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vstol Jockey said:
The aim of IAF on 26th was terror infra. PAF/PA were not the targets.
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Could have inflicted heavy damage on Pak during Feb 27 dogfight if possessed 'tech asymmetry'

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Could have inflicted heavy damage on Pak during Feb 27 dogfight if possessed 'tech asymmetry': IAF - Times of India
 
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Gautam said:
There is this process called Liquid Phase Catalytic Exchange(LPCE) that was invented and patented by the BARC. The process was to remove some radioactive materials from Heavy water, if I am not wrong. Looking at the patent/research papers some international watchdogs commented on how this would allow India to quickly stockpile large quantities of Tritium/Deuterium, Tritium is apparently needed in the construction of H-bombs. This was reported at least a decade ago, God knows what those guys are up to now.
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Hence comment, by Mr Modi
"We have nuclear of nuclear bombs (the mother of nuclear bombs). I decided to tell them, do whatever you want to do (but we will retaliate)," the prime minister said.
 
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LoneWolfSandeep said:
Notice the keyword Nahi in the tweet, for the raids

Now follow this tweets, keeping Nahi in significance
https://twitter.com/x/status/1121321506871492608
https://twitter.com/x/status/1121442777403809793
https://twitter.com/x/status/1121443671558115328
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Going by various unconfirmed reports including baba ji tweets, it seems we crossed into Pakistan airspace in Arabian Sea.
Latest Tweet on series
https://twitter.com/x/status/1121447466958647297
looking at "It is #NAHI"
NA - Navy
HI - Helicopter Intrusion
maybe the chinks in there armor can be exploited. the thing which comes to my mind is Osama bin laden incident...
 
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Falcon said:
I do not know the exact point either. Sorry, but no clue.

Either ways, even if Jaba Top was and the location as doing rounds in media, was the target, we have already covered that in 3-5 hours we can repair the site for satellite overpass to find nothing wrong.
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*Ahem* its not that simple... you can cover up things in visual domain but in spectral domain things can still be visible..
 
Guynextdoor said:
Yes. Sitting in UK you like war of Pakistan with India. In the safety of your grocery store you will be able to decide the future of Pakistan.
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LOL. No I don't run a grocery store, although I would have liked to have one. It's a 8 grand a week turnover business on average . But it is too much work and finding reliable staff who don't pinch money from the till is difficult.
 
BlackOpsIndia said:
More information coming in... Source

Post-Balakot, Pakistan scrambled jets from 8 bases. Was 10 minutes late: IAF report

“The strategic-surprise” of the Balakot airstrikes by the Indian Air Force in the Khyber Phaktunwa region of Pakistan on February 26 was “complete and total” despite Pakistan being on high alert, according to a report on “the lessons learnt” from the operation, which also mentions that five of the six designated targets were hit, the first official acknowledgement of the number of targets.

The report, a detailed assessment of the positives and negatives of the operation, to be used as a reference for future operations, was discussed at a high-level meeting of IAF recently.

On February 26, in response to a suicide bombing attack by a Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terrorist on a CRPF convoy in Pulwama, Jammu and Kashmir, that killed 40 troopers, and to pre-empt more such attacks, IAF struck a training camp of the Pakistan-based JeM in Balakot. There’s been a lot of discussion and debate on the attack, including on the damage inflicted, but the report marks the first time IAF discussed the operation’s effectiveness.

Also Watch | ‘They want to be Pak’s heroes’: Modi’s jibe at Balakot air strike ‘doubters’

The assessment has revealed several positives, but because “no battle plan ever survives the first contact with the enemy”, there were also deviations from the plan, and some outright negatives too.

The mission “was accomplished” because of “redundancies” built into the plan, the report, a copy of which has been reviewed by HT, says.

The Positives

The “strategic surprise” was so complete that only after IAF’s Mirage-2000s delivered the weapons package and turned back did Pakistan scramble jets from “as many as eight fighter bases”. These included the Pakistan Air Force base Mushaf in Sargoda, Rafiqui in Shorkot, Minhas in Kamra Attock, and Murid in Chakwal. “But the distance between PAF and IAF fighters was at least 10 minutes,” a senior officer in the security establishment said on condition of anonymity.

“Pakistan was expecting a response, but from the PAF response it appears it did not expect us to take the aerial route,” the officer added.

The “accuracy” of intelligence and the subsequent target selection is one of the positives the report talks about. “With this quality of intelligence, we can hit any target inside Pakistan within three hours,” a second senior security establishment official said, asking not to be named.

Among the other positives, the report lists the proficiency and skills of pilots who flew the mission, and describes them as “top class”. Keeping in the tradition of IAF, the Commanding Officers (CO) of the respective squadrons flew the mission. All pilots who flew the mission are likely to be awarded for their skill and ability.

Importantly, although nearly 6,000 men and officers of IAF were involved in the execution – aircraft flew from different airbases spread across India – there were “no leakages”.

Deception at the strategic and tactical level deceived Pakistan, the report says. While Chief of Air Staff BS Dhanoa and the top echelon of IAF went about normal duties — including attending conferences, banquets, and addressing Defence Attaché’s, so-called Combat Air Patrols along the border areas — before the strike lulled Pakistan to some extent.

Importantly, during the attack, a strike-element of Russian made Su-30s flying towards Bahawalpur, Pakistan, where the JeM is based, forced the neighbouring country to divert its energies and air defence capabilities in a separate sector.

Finally, the accuracy of the weapons have also come in for praise in the report. IAF used Spice 2000 precision guided munitions (PGM) to hit the target, among others. “Five of the six designated targets” inside the Jaish-e- Mohammed (JeM) training camp in Balakot were hit directly, the assessment report has concluded.

The Negatives

Cloud cover and weather conditions did create problems for the fighter fleet, the report says. Importantly, the entire weapons package — apart from the Spice 2000 — carried by the IAF fleet wasn’t delivered, leading to questions about to weapon to target matching. Changes in the software made to integrate new weapon systems with vintage Mirage aircraft didn’t completely work.

IAF use indigenous skills to integrate the new weapons systems. “The Balakot experience underlines integration of new weapons with platforms should be done by the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) despite the cost involved,” said a senior official aware of the assessment, who did not want to be named.

The other “negative” listed in the report is in the politico-strategic domain. IAF, when planning the attack, gave priority to eliminating the maximum number of terrorists at the JeM facility. It chose Spice 2000 – a penetration smart bomb – over a fragmentation weapon. The former penetrates structures killing everyone inside whereas the latter flattens and demolishes structures.

“When questions were raised about the strike, especially internationally, IAF didn’t have much by way of pictures to show as evidence making it easy for Pakistan to deny the attack itself,” a third senior officer in the security establishment said, asking not to be identified.

Recommendations

Looking ahead and taking the lessons from the Balakot strike, IAF wants more “technological asymmetry” to be able to “penetrate the enemy airspace at will”, according to the report. It will be looking at better air defence capabilities. The induction of new platforms such as the Russian made S-400 surface to air anti-aircraft missile systems will fill part of the gap.

According to a former senior air force official, India should concentrate on absorbing more defence technology. “Technological asymmetry will always give you an edge over the enemy. However, if the OEM [original equipment manufacturer, or the supplier] is the same on either, it could create difficulties,” said former Air Vice Marshal Sunil Jayant Nanodkar.

“We achieved complete surprise and the mission was successful. It highlights the need to give forces the freedom to execute a political decision. The execution of a political decision should be at choosing of the forces,” he added.
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Rubbish..
India attacked from three fronts... The two attacks from south were repulsed, but the one from North was larger and needed more jets...
Obviously some time was needed for the backup to arrive..
 
Gautam said:
Many thanks for this. This I believe is a derivative of the original LPCE. I was wrong when I said the LPCE was invented a decade ago. Here is Janes Intelligence Review, January 1998.
Tritium from Power Plants gives India an H-bomb capability
This is the original/old version. Do give it a read, its facinating.
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It is indeed very fascinating read.

It was funny the way the BARC scientist replied and reacted ""Look, our intention is not to produce tritium," said a senior scientist directly involved with the pilot detritiation plant at BARC. "Our aim is to lower the tritium content in the heavy water, which gets contaminated after fission and neutron capture by deuterium atoms. If tritium comes out as a by-product, what can we do about it?" Asked what was to be done with the tritium so obtained, the scientist just smiled. "

Edit - This is a very smart way to produce tritium - just allow a controlled leak of neutrons from the reactor into the heavy water and tritium production will automatically be taken care of. In trying to solve a problem on how to plug the leak of neutrons, the scientists hit upon a bigger solution of how to create raw material for a fusion bomb :)
 
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Golden_Rule said:
the scientist just smiled
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LOLwa:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
This is from 1998, so I imagine keeping secrets was still a relatively new thing for Indian scientists at that time. As the article states there seems to be some kind of confusion as to the nature of classification on these projects. The procedures for keeping official secrets must have been at its infancy then. But things have improved rapidly I would say, I mean look at our ASAT test/development, no body knew a thing.
 
nair said:
Indian Radar Data That Supposedly Proves They Downed An F-16 Is Far From "Irrefutable". ( Not able to copy the article from phone, can some on post the whole article here pls)
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Indian Radar Data That Supposedly Proves They Downed An F-16 Is Far From "Irrefutable"
India's evidence doesn't come anywhere close to definitively proving what did and did not happen during the air battle over Kashmir in February.
BY JOSEPH TREVITHICK AND TYLER ROGOWAYAPRIL 8, 2019

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The Indian Air Force claims radar data from an airborne early warning and control aircraft, along with other intelligence, shows that the Pakistani Air Force lost an F-16 Viper fighter jet during an aerial skirmish in February 2019, an already hotly debated event that The War Zone has covered in detail. This follows a highly circulated report based on unnamed sources from Foreign Policy stating that U.S. government officials inventoried Pakistan’s Viper fleet and found that none of them were missing.

Indian Air Force (IAF) Air Vice Marshal R.G.K. Kapoor laid out the new information in a press briefingon Apr. 8, 2019. Competing Indian and Pakistani claims regarding the aerial brawl over the contested Jammu and Kashmir region on Feb. 27, 2019, which followed Pakistani air strikes on various Indian bases in the area, continue to swirl more than a month after the incident, which reportedly brought the countries worryingly close to an all-out war. A major disputed part of the narrative remains whether or not IAF Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, flying a MiG-21 Bison, shot down a Pakistani Air Force (PAF) F-16, before getting shot down himself.

Read our widely-read pointed takedown on all the bad information and naive assumptions swirling around that engagement at this link.

“The IAF has irrefutable evidence of not only the fact that F-16 were [sic] used by PAF on 27 Feb 19 but also that an IAF MiG21 Bison shot down a PAF F-16,” the IAF said in a written statement given to journalists during the press briefing. India has previously shown portions of an American-made AIM-120C-5 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) that the U.S. government sold to Pakistan as evidence that the F-16s were involved in some way. Pakistan has denied that its Vipers, which are its only aircraft capable of carrying AMRAAMs, participated in the battle, to begin with, and continues to deny that it lost any of those jets.

ENOUGH WITH THE INDIAN MIG-21 BISON VERSUS PAKISTANI F-16 VIPER BULLSHITBy Tyler RogowayPosted in THE WAR ZONE

WE CUT THROUGH THE CONFLICTING CLAIMS AND MISINFORMATION SURROUNDING INDIA'S STRIKES ON PAKISTANBy Joseph TrevithickPosted in THE WAR ZONE

INDIA SHOWS PROOF U.S. MADE F-16S AND AIM-120 MISSILES WERE USED BY PAKISTAN IN AERIAL BRAWLBy Joseph TrevithickPosted in THE WAR ZONE

LOCKHEED MARTIN DELETES CLAIM THAT ITS REBRANDED F-21 COULD BE A PATH TO INDIAN F-35SBy Joseph TrevithickPosted in THE WAR ZONE

YES, INDIA AND PAKISTAN COULD END THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT THROUGH A NUCLEAR EXCHANGEBy Joseph Trevithick and Tyler RogowayPosted in THE WAR ZONE

Kapoor first showed a radar image of the overall situation. An IAF airborne warning and control aircraft, either one of its A-50EIs or an EMB-145Netra, operating in the area at the time was tracking three distinct groups of Pakistani jets, one to the north consisting of JF-17 Thunders, one in the middle with F-16s, and a third one to the south with F-16s. The IAF claims as many as 11 F-16s in total took part in the Pakistani strikes on targets in areas of Kashmir under Indian control.

Additional Indian MiG-21, Su-30MKI, and Mirage 2000 aircraft had also scrambled in the response to the Pakistani intrusion into Indian airspace. India has now officially claimed that Pakistani F-16s fired multiple AMRAAMs during the battle, but that Indian aircraft dodged the bulk of them thanks to unspecified countermeasures and evasive action, but offered no details to support this assertion.



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Here’s the Indian Air Force’s latest statement released at a press conference today:
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Here’s what the Indian Air Force has just released on the Feb 27 air battle. Says these battlespace radar images from a Phalcon AWACS (1&2) establish the use of F-16s by Pakistan.
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The IAF officer then presented additional images he said showed the period shortly after Wing Commander Varthaman had moved to engage a portion of the enemy F-16s in the middle group. There were three Vipers specifically in the Indian pilot's "engagement zone," according to the press briefing. The Indian claim is that Varthaman was then able to shoot down one of these F-16s, before his plane succumbed to enemy fire.

The Indian Air Force says it has proven this because the airborne early warning and control aircraft on station had identified the F-16s and saw one of the tracks disappear from its screens completely.
 
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