Excalbur is the GPS guided round. This is a whole different thing. If made this will allow us to shoot projectiles some 150 kms away.
It will probably reach Islamabad / Pindi from say Poonch....lol
UAVs, ramjet tech to be showcased at DefExpo: IIT-Madras
By Manu Pubby
IANS|Last Updated: Feb 05, 2020, 10.47 AM IST
The institute also claimed that it has made progress in indigenous processor called 'Shakti' to building the next generation of Artillery Combat Command and Control Network. The fire control network has been proposed to be based on Shakti Processor in a lightweight tablet configuration.
The institute also said it will also sign Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) with the Ordnance Factory Board for setting up a joint Centre of Excellence for ammunition and Bharat Electronics Ltd for establishment of research and collaboration in the areas of propellants, explosives and related technologies.
Chennai: Multi-role unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), fire control network and ramjet projectile technology developed by start-ups incubated at the Indian Institute of Technology-Madras Research Park will be on display at the DefExpo 2020 at Lucknow, the institute said on Tuesday.
In a statement issued here, the IIT-Madras said it will form part of Tamil Nadu Industrial Development Corporation Ltd pavilion in the Expo.
"We are now on the verge of making a mark on the defence industry through the technologies developed by our faculty and through our start-ups incubated in our one of its kind research parks," Lt. Gen. P.R. Shankar, the Professor of Practice in the IIT's Department of Aerospace Engineering, was quoted as saying in the statement.
According to the statement, IIT-Madras is in the process of design and development of multirole expendable UAVs.
The institute also claimed that it has made progress in indigenous processor called 'Shakti' to building the next generation of Artillery Combat Command and Control Network. The fire control network has been proposed to be based on Shakti Processor in a lightweight tablet configuration. It will be a precursor to secure net-centricity in the Armed Forces, incorporating all new weapon systems.
The IIT also claimed that is is on the verge of a breakthrough in 'ramjet technology' for incorporation in artillery projectiles. This project, when successful, will double the range of engagement of targets and will make a substantial difference in armed forces' combat capabilities.
The institute also said it will also sign Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) with the Ordnance Factory Board for setting up a joint Centre of Excellence for ammunition and Bharat Electronics Ltd for establishment of research and collaboration in the areas of propellants, explosives and related technologies.
UAVs, ramjet tech to be showcased at DefExpo: IIT-Madras
By Manu Pubby
IANS|Last Updated: Feb 05, 2020, 10.47 AM IST
The institute also claimed that it has made progress in indigenous processor called 'Shakti' to building the next generation of Artillery Combat Command and Control Network. The fire control network has been proposed to be based on Shakti Processor in a lightweight tablet configuration.
The institute also said it will also sign Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) with the Ordnance Factory Board for setting up a joint Centre of Excellence for ammunition and Bharat Electronics Ltd for establishment of research and collaboration in the areas of propellants, explosives and related technologies.
Chennai: Multi-role unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), fire control network and ramjet projectile technology developed by start-ups incubated at the Indian Institute of Technology-Madras Research Park will be on display at the DefExpo 2020 at Lucknow, the institute said on Tuesday.
In a statement issued here, the IIT-Madras said it will form part of Tamil Nadu Industrial Development Corporation Ltd pavilion in the Expo.
"We are now on the verge of making a mark on the defence industry through the technologies developed by our faculty and through our start-ups incubated in our one of its kind research parks," Lt. Gen. P.R. Shankar, the Professor of Practice in the IIT's Department of Aerospace Engineering, was quoted as saying in the statement.
According to the statement, IIT-Madras is in the process of design and development of multirole expendable UAVs.
The institute also claimed that it has made progress in indigenous processor called 'Shakti' to building the next generation of Artillery Combat Command and Control Network. The fire control network has been proposed to be based on Shakti Processor in a lightweight tablet configuration. It will be a precursor to secure net-centricity in the Armed Forces, incorporating all new weapon systems.
The IIT also claimed that is is on the verge of a breakthrough in 'ramjet technology' for incorporation in artillery projectiles. This project, when successful, will double the range of engagement of targets and will make a substantial difference in armed forces' combat capabilities.
The institute also said it will also sign Memorandums of Understanding (MoU) with the Ordnance Factory Board for setting up a joint Centre of Excellence for ammunition and Bharat Electronics Ltd for establishment of research and collaboration in the areas of propellants, explosives and related technologies.
UAVs, ramjet tech to be showcased at DefExpo: IIT-Madras
"IF" is the point of focus here. Also, the cost of each round will be substantially higher than normal artillery rounds. That will put us in the proverbial brahmos situation. Sure, it will be a massive boost to our arsenal but the cost will be prohibitive and would only be used to target high value targets. So, say during an artillary duel, it won't be used. Only cheaper rounds that can be expanded at whim will be used.
On the other hand, it will be cheaper than an actual missile and will give us an cost effective alternate to any tactical level short range missile. It will be difficult to intercept as well.
Now, imagine if we put a miniaturized nuke warhead in that round. Forget the tactical nuke missiles that pak keeps harping about, this will become THE most frightening thing in our arsenal that will give pak sleepless nights. Now, imagine the nuclear blackmail that India can enact on pakistan. One more mumbai/pulwama and islamabad will go pufffff in seconds. No ballistic missile shield can save them.
Any new tech is expensive. But then similar tech if imported will cost much higher. There are other problems too. The problem with putting an air-breathing engine in a artillery round it that it will greatly reduce internal volume. Meaning the explosive and the electronics/guidance package on the round will have less space to work with. Any artillery fired at a range greater than about 40 km will need active guidance(GPS based, laser guided or something similar) to achieve less than 2m CEP. If you are shooting at 150 km guidance will have to be an integral part of the design. How we go about solve these problems will be interesting to watch.
I don't know how much miniaturisation we can achieve with nukes. I believe a 155mm based nuke round can be done. However with a ramjet engine taking up space we will need an even smaller nuke. If we can make one, and its a big if, I highly doubt those will have the power to take out a city. It might take out an airbase though.
This Ramjet Shell will compete in terms of Costs with 2 other weapon systems
1 SAAW type or Spice 250 type stand off
Munitions
2.Prahar missile or Pinaka Guided weapon
Whether we like it or not Cost will be a huge factor
The Cost Benefit analyses will be the deciding factor
They have not done cost analysis. They will use aluminum based fuel instead of boron based for the reason of cost and availability. IIT kanpur and RCI will provide guidance system. Definitely it will be costlier to basic shell but may be less than that of Excalibur. Details are as follow
They have not done cost analysis. They will use aluminum based fuel instead of boron based for the reason of cost and availability. IIT kanpur and RCI will provide guidance system. Definitely it will be costlier to basic shell but may be less than that of Excalibur. Details are as follow
Army Chief General MM Naravane to ANI : The Sharang artillery gun would be inducted into the Indian Army tomorrow. 155 mm Sharang is an upgraded version of the 130 mm M-46 field guns.(Photos- DGQA India)
tactical nukes of that size disrupt the command and control structure for Nuke engagement.
Nukes are last ditch effort to destroy something - it creates a bad precedent.
we should let Pak continue to blackmail us with miniature nukes and use that as an excuse to build up conventional capabilities.
The monies required to research mini nukes/ their storage/ handling/ prevention of these nukes falling into wrong hands is a mess.
Saudi Arabia evaluating Kalyani Group artillery guns: Bharat 52 and 105 Garuda V2
By Ajai Shukla
Lucknow
Business Standard, 7th Feb 2020
The Pune-based Kalyani Group, which has made a major foray into the field of artillery gun systems, is pitching strongly to supply artillery gun systems to the Saudi Arabian military.
Business Standard has learnt that two types of gun systems, both designed and developed by Kalyani Group, are being sent later this year to Saudi Arabia, for trial evaluation by the Royal Saudi Army in the forbidding Saudi Arabian desert.
The guns include the so-called Bharat 52, a 155 millimetre (mm), 52 calibre (cal) towed howitzer that is the first gun the Kalyani Group built. Saudi Arabia will also evaluate the Garuda V2, a 105 mm gun mounted on a light vehicle chassis for added mobility.
Interestingly, Saudi Arabia has not expressed interest in the flagship artillery gun that the Kalyani Group is working one: the eponymous Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS). This futuristic DRDO-designed gun is being built by two private firms in parallel -- Kalyani Group and Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL).
Kalyani Group, by virtue of its organic skills in metal castings and forgings, is playing the larger role, including building barrels for its own, as well as TASL’s gun.
Baba Kalyani, chief of the Kalyani Group, makes no secret of his intention to sink whatever money it take for dominating artillery gun production in India. In this his flagship company, Bharat Forge, the worlds’ largest producer of forgings and castings, is to play a leading role.
“Kalyani Group is well along in mastering gun production. We are the equal of the world’s top 2-3 companies in artillery systems,” Kalyani told Business Standard.
Kalyani praises the government’s initiative to boost defence exports, which have already multiplied over the last two years to a total of Rs 10,700 crore. The MoD’s Defence Production Policy of 2018 has set an annual defence exports target of $5 billion by 2024.
“The real efforts in export promotion started 5-6 years ago and to be fair to the system, we have made significant headway. We had a conference about six months ago on ways to boost exports. That was attended by India’s military attaches posted in embassies abroad. Now they are at the front end of export promotion in the countries to which they are posted,” said Kalyani.
The hard-driving Kalyani Group chief is launching the development of new guns without waiting for MoD orders. After the army launched a programme to procure 145 ultralight howitzers from the international market – a $700 million contract that BAE Systems eventually won with its M777 gun system – the Kalyani Group has unilaterally designed and built two different ultralight howitzers, which it intends to offer the army.
“We are offering the guns suo moto, under the “Make-2” category,” said Kalyani. Under this procurement category, companies can offer the MoD defence products they have developed at their own cost.
Of these ultralight howitzers, one is a 155 mm, 39-calibre titanium gun that weighs a mere 4.8 tonnes. Kalyani Group has dubbed it Mountain Artillery Gun – Titanium (MArG-T). Its range matches the BAE Systems M777 gun, with conventional ammunition fired to a range of 25 kilometres (km).
The other gun is a larger, cheaper, all-steel 155 mm, 52 calibre gun that weighs 7.8 tonnes and fires conventional ammunition to a range of 30 km.
“The army can choose what it wants: low weight and higher cost; or higher weight and lower cost. We are offering both options,” says a Kalyani engineer.
“Both these guns are truly indigenous, having been designed by our R&D centre in Pune. While Bharat Forge’s metal working skills are acknowledged worldwide, our Pune R&D centre develops the command and control systems, central computers and automation that goes into gun systems,” says Kalyani.
Kalyani Group’s growing skills provide the military with options they could earlier only dream of. In December 2018, with the Sino-Indian border roiled by the recent Doklam confrontation, then army chief, General Bipin Rawat, visited Kalyani Group and asked whether they could build a truck-mounted 155 mm, 39 calibre gun that could move around on the narrow roads of northern Sikkim.
The gun that Kalyani group developed in response is on display at Defexpo. Based on a 4x4 vehicle produced by Bharat Earth Movers Ltd, the so-called “Go Anywhere Vehicle” offers unparalleled mobility. It is going into firing trials immediately after Defexpo.
The Kalyani Group has a growing relationship with BAE Systems and purchased the British company’s barrel production unit located in the UK. This facility has been physically relocated from the UK to Pune.
For any future artillery orders BAE Systems gets from the international market – including a possible follow-on order from India for more M777 ultralight howitzers – it is likely to source barrels from the Kalyani Group.
Illustrating this relationship, two 155 mm barrels manufactured by Kalyani Group are on display in the BAE Systems stall in Defexpo 2020.
Broadsword: Saudi Arabia evaluating Kalyani Group artillery guns: Bharat 52 and 105 Garuda V2
By Ajai Shukla
Lucknow
Business Standard, 7th Feb 2020
The Pune-based Kalyani Group, which has made a major foray into the field of artillery gun systems, is pitching strongly to supply artillery gun systems to the Saudi Arabian military.
Business Standard has learnt that two types of gun systems, both designed and developed by Kalyani Group, are being sent later this year to Saudi Arabia, for trial evaluation by the Royal Saudi Army in the forbidding Saudi Arabian desert.
The guns include the so-called Bharat 52, a 155 millimetre (mm), 52 calibre (cal) towed howitzer that is the first gun the Kalyani Group built. Saudi Arabia will also evaluate the Garuda V2, a 105 mm gun mounted on a light vehicle chassis for added mobility.
Interestingly, Saudi Arabia has not expressed interest in the flagship artillery gun that the Kalyani Group is working one: the eponymous Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS). This futuristic DRDO-designed gun is being built by two private firms in parallel -- Kalyani Group and Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL).
Kalyani Group, by virtue of its organic skills in metal castings and forgings, is playing the larger role, including building barrels for its own, as well as TASL’s gun.
Baba Kalyani, chief of the Kalyani Group, makes no secret of his intention to sink whatever money it take for dominating artillery gun production in India. In this his flagship company, Bharat Forge, the worlds’ largest producer of forgings and castings, is to play a leading role.
“Kalyani Group is well along in mastering gun production. We are the equal of the world’s top 2-3 companies in artillery systems,” Kalyani told Business Standard.
Kalyani praises the government’s initiative to boost defence exports, which have already multiplied over the last two years to a total of Rs 10,700 crore. The MoD’s Defence Production Policy of 2018 has set an annual defence exports target of $5 billion by 2024.
“The real efforts in export promotion started 5-6 years ago and to be fair to the system, we have made significant headway. We had a conference about six months ago on ways to boost exports. That was attended by India’s military attaches posted in embassies abroad. Now they are at the front end of export promotion in the countries to which they are posted,” said Kalyani.
The hard-driving Kalyani Group chief is launching the development of new guns without waiting for MoD orders. After the army launched a programme to procure 145 ultralight howitzers from the international market – a $700 million contract that BAE Systems eventually won with its M777 gun system – the Kalyani Group has unilaterally designed and built two different ultralight howitzers, which it intends to offer the army.
“We are offering the guns suo moto, under the “Make-2” category,” said Kalyani. Under this procurement category, companies can offer the MoD defence products they have developed at their own cost.
Of these ultralight howitzers, one is a 155 mm, 39-calibre titanium gun that weighs a mere 4.8 tonnes. Kalyani Group has dubbed it Mountain Artillery Gun – Titanium (MArG-T). Its range matches the BAE Systems M777 gun, with conventional ammunition fired to a range of 25 kilometres (km).
The other gun is a larger, cheaper, all-steel 155 mm, 52 calibre gun that weighs 7.8 tonnes and fires conventional ammunition to a range of 30 km.
“The army can choose what it wants: low weight and higher cost; or higher weight and lower cost. We are offering both options,” says a Kalyani engineer.
“Both these guns are truly indigenous, having been designed by our R&D centre in Pune. While Bharat Forge’s metal working skills are acknowledged worldwide, our Pune R&D centre develops the command and control systems, central computers and automation that goes into gun systems,” says Kalyani.
Kalyani Group’s growing skills provide the military with options they could earlier only dream of. In December 2018, with the Sino-Indian border roiled by the recent Doklam confrontation, then army chief, General Bipin Rawat, visited Kalyani Group and asked whether they could build a truck-mounted 155 mm, 39 calibre gun that could move around on the narrow roads of northern Sikkim.
The gun that Kalyani group developed in response is on display at Defexpo. Based on a 4x4 vehicle produced by Bharat Earth Movers Ltd, the so-called “Go Anywhere Vehicle” offers unparalleled mobility. It is going into firing trials immediately after Defexpo.
The Kalyani Group has a growing relationship with BAE Systems and purchased the British company’s barrel production unit located in the UK. This facility has been physically relocated from the UK to Pune.
For any future artillery orders BAE Systems gets from the international market – including a possible follow-on order from India for more M777 ultralight howitzers – it is likely to source barrels from the Kalyani Group.
Illustrating this relationship, two 155 mm barrels manufactured by Kalyani Group are on display in the BAE Systems stall in Defexpo 2020.
Broadsword: Saudi Arabia evaluating Kalyani Group artillery guns: Bharat 52 and 105 Garuda V2