Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

[Ankit Kumar]

Looks like the Army wants SAMHO dimensions, weight & range along with MP-ATGM's 3rd gen capabilities.

I don't know if there is an attempt currently to make a fire and forget version of samho.

 

[marich01]

Well aerodynamically very important, but for bare viewing for this thread probably the least interesting post.
Was this posted before? Never thought those control surface fins are really that big, got to be at least 1.5 feet or 2 feet in size. Saw in a video where that canted fin was being made in a machine. Its pretty huge, almost like a car window size.

 

[marich01]

Here is the video, contains one of the above fin part making/finishing.

 

[Lolwa]

Imp details

Total requirements: 5000 ATGMs & 500 Launchers

Production Rate : 1750 ATGMs/year & 175 launchers/year

Usage :- Plains & mountains till 5500 meters

Targets :- should be able to destroy enemy tanks, Armoured Personnel Carriers, combat vehicles, low flying helicopters

Service Life :- 15 years (25 Years extended)

Modes :- Top attack & Direct attack

Dimensions:- Less than 125mm dia
Less than 1.25 m in length
Less than 25 (missile & launcher combined)

Range :- Max 5 km+ , Min 200 meters for direct attack & 1.1km for Top Attack

So spike or atgm 5??

 

[Ankit Kumar]

So spike or atgm 5??

125mm restrictions.

I don't know why Army is putting this restriction. Since Konkurs is 135mm dia system, so at the very minimum a 135mm specification will allow both Javelin (127mm) and Spike 130mm.

 

[Arpuism]

125mm restrictions.

I don't know why Army is putting this restriction. Since Konkurs is 135mm dia system, so at the very minimum a 135mm specification will allow both Javelin (127mm) and Spike 130mm.

They want something like SAMHO, LAHAT etc.

 

[Lolwa]

125mm restrictions.

I don't know why Army is putting this restriction. Since Konkurs is 135mm dia system, so at the very minimum a 135mm specification will allow both Javelin (127mm) and Spike 130mm.

MMP 140mm so that's out

 

[marich01]

125mm restrictions.

I don't know why Army is putting this restriction. Since Konkurs is 135mm dia system, so at the very minimum a 135mm specification will allow both Javelin (127mm) and Spike 130mm.

+ - 5% always applies, this is tentative spec as well I guess. Some of our bmp already seems to have some atgm installed? This old thread had some info

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507359790506274817

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507363486367563779

 

[marich01]

They want something like SAMHO, LAHAT etc.

wth is samho tube launched or gun launched? there must be many modern options , spike javellin any can do, even BDL amogha imo would get a shot despite that spec.

 

[marich01]

(Pic from Joshi sir ppt DRDO-DRDL)

 

[Ankit Kumar]

MMP 140mm so that's out

The Missile+ launcher weight should be less than 25kg too. I don't know much about the mmp. But it seems it will have a problem with that too.
One more thing, Army wants Commandar & Gunner to both be able to fire ATGMs simultaneously. So that's 2 ATGM launchers.

 

[Arpuism]

wth is samho tube launched or gun launched? there must be many modern options , spike javellin any can do, even BDL amogha imo would get a shot despite that spec.

 

[marich01]

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So far we have tested the CLGM after a brief timeout, and there is yet no sign of DRDO working hard on Samho. MPATGM on other hand is a MM project, and going full speed ahead. Several tenders, think we even got one with entire drawings of the article and propulsion doc. So would love to see if Samho really returns to the fold again.

 

[marich01]

ps: was Samho using the propulsion system P-1322 ?

 

[Arpuism]

So far we have tested the CLGM after a brief timeout, and there is yet no sign of DRDO working hard on Samho. MPATGM on other hand is a MM project, and going full speed ahead. Several tenders, think we even got one with entire drawings of the article and propulsion doc. So would love to see if Samho really returns to the fold again.

Range of MPATGM is much less than the requirements so, i dnt think it is desired. LAHAT or SAMHO seems to be fulfilling the requirements.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Range of MPATGM is much less than the requirements so, i dnt think it is desired. LAHAT or SAMHO seems to be fulfilling the requirements.

Fire & Forget with Top Attack Capability has been demanded.

 

[marich01]

Range of MPATGM is much less than the requirements so, i dnt think it is desired. LAHAT or SAMHO seems to be fulfilling the requirements.

true, vehicle mounted atgm would certainly want a higher range compared to manpad/atgm fired by normal soldiers. lets see what they get.

 

[marich01]

Here is the video, contains one of the above fin part making/finishing.

Source of the pics and the video were here, company's website

Revathi Engineering Pvt. Ltd.

www.revathiengineering.com

 

[marich01]

Hope this time its successful & inducted.

 

[marich01]

So, cross-posting again here, order expected timeline shared by BDL is below, note this is forward looking projection & may not come absolute true.




Interesting that Spike ER2 order is expected this FY