Indian Nuclear Attack Submarine (Project 77) - Updates & Discussions

Then in all probability this is for the SSN for as per OSINT all the hulls of the Arihant class were already fabricated by 2015.
Back in 2015 itself L&T has procured new steel and started hull fabrication. This was actually bought from russia in sheet form then molded by L&T.

if you go back in this thread few years I mentioned SSN hull fabrication might have started. (Probably on the old forum cant find it)

Turns out it wasnt for SSNs but S4 classes. This is my guess.

Also Gautum’s theory with fabricated hulls kept in some storage fits with my timelines.
 
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The IN chose technology over saving time. So the Nerpa is done, it will be pushed into service in the Russian navy after a refit. Otoh, we are very likely looking at leasing the unfinished Irbis, which came after Nerpa. So it's practically a new hull too. Plus a lot of the new submarine's internals will be Indian systems, stuff that's meant to go into the Indian SSN program.

So both the Kilo class upgrades and the leased SSN will have a lot of Indian tech.


Okay so I am not claiming to be 100% right but this is what I found

Amur shipyard.

1. K-284 Akula (1984) ; scrapped in the period between 2004 and 2008 at Zvezda...

2. K-263 Barnaul (1987); scrapped in floating dock PD-14 in the period 2018/19

3. K-322 Kashalot (1988); in the process of scrapping at Amur shipyard(was first thought to be the submarine getting ready for us)

4. K-391 Bratsk (1989); from 26.09.2014 in Zvezdochka repair plant, inactive. Planned to be modernized to 971M project. But upon inspection it was found that the submarine is in very bad condition and not fit for renovation. (This was the 2nd hull after K322 inspected by India)


5. K-331 (1990) ; name REMOVED because one submarine of the project 636.3 has took the name "Magadan", or B-602 Magadan on 01.11.2019. K-331 is in overhaull and this submarine will become the submarine of the project 971U according to russian MOD and it was said that the overhaul will be completed in 2022. But since the name has been removed , I think that this one might be getting ready for India. But if it's this one, then it's supposed to go into trials by 2022 end. But one problem I think is that when it started its modernisation, it was for Russian Navy. So if it's for Indian Navy, then the refit might extend beyond 2022.


6. K-419 Kuzbas (1992) ; Modernized and returned to service in march 2016. Project 971U.

7. K-295 Samara (1995); from 26.09.2014 in Zvezdochka repair plant, inactive. According to russian MOD the deadline for the return of this submarine to service has not been determined because the complete old equipment has been removed from the submarine, while the scope of modernization work is significantly higher than planned. This submarine will become the 971M project after modernization is finished.

8. K-152 Nerpa (2009); inactive, in august 2021 it was delivered from Indian navy crew to the crew of the russian submarine K-419. It will probably be handed over to RN, but who knows when.

SEVMASH ;

1. K-480 Bars (1988); scrapped by 2010

2. K-317 Pantera (1990); probably in service

3. K-461 Volk (1991); inactive, from 2018 in Zvezdochka and it is planned to be upgraded to the 971M standard, just like the K-328 Leopard. It is planned to be handed over to the Russian Navy in 2023. Project 971M.

4. K-328 Leopard (1992); taken out from the slipyard in Zvezdochka on 26.12.2020 and the submarine is scheduled to be returned to service in 2022. Project 971M.

5. K-154 Tigr (1993); from 2019 in Nerpa repair plant and overhaul will be completed by 2022. This would not happen almost certainly because submarine has not yet been launched and this submarine will not be modernized to 971M standard.

6. K-157 Vepr (1995); returned to service in 2020 after repair, active. This is not a submarine of the 971M project.

7. K-337 Gepard (2001); active, project 971U.

And finally the incomplete hull of Irbis. No activity on that.
 
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The multi-purpose nuclear submarine "Bratsk" of project 971 (code "Pike-B") was declared unsuitable for repair and will not be restored. This was reported on Monday, January 17, by Izvestia , citing sources in the Russian Defense Ministry.

The multi-purpose nuclear submarine "Bratsk" of project 971 (code "Pike-B") was declared unsuitable for repair and will not be restored. This was reported on Monday, January 17, by Izvestia , citing sources in the Russian Defense Ministry.

K322 is getting scrapped and K391 declared unfit for renovation.

Refund ka option hai kya ? 😂
 
K391 when it was inspected in 2018, India had agreed for timeline of 6 year for modernisation. So 2025-26 was being quoted.

It was supposed to receive a new nuclear propulsion system and Brahmos launch capability (VLS or tube , unknown). Apart from Indian Sonar and CMS and some Russian electronics.

Now in 2022 this news comes.
We were basically paying the Russians to build them a new submarine.
 
K391 when it was inspected in 2018, India had agreed for timeline of 6 year for modernisation. So 2025-26 was being quoted.

It was supposed to receive a new nuclear propulsion system and Brahmos launch capability (VLS or tube , unknown). Apart from Indian Sonar and CMS and some Russian electronics.

Now in 2022 this news comes.
We were basically paying the Russians to build them a new submarine.

Interestingly, the Russians are claiming something else.

Built in the 1980s and early 90s, the Akula class nuclear-powered attack submarines were considered to be some of the quietest sailing the world’s oceans.

Six of them are sailing for the Northern Fleet, with Gadzhiyevo on the Kola Peninsula as homeport.

Although Russia’s new 4th generation muliti-purpose subs of the even quieter Yasen class now are entering service, it seems like the Navy would keep the Akula class in operation for a long time.

With reference to the Defense Ministry’s Zvezda television, the military analyst new-site Jane’s reports that the Akulas with overhauls and maintenance can stay in operation at least another 25-30 years.

The oldest Akula sailing for the Northern Fleet is “Pantera” (K-317), commissioned in 1990. The newest is “Gepard” (K-335), commissioned in 2001. Sailing for another 25-30 years will make the submarines 50 to 60 years old before they reach retirement age.

Two of the new Yasen-class subs (“Severodvinsk” and “Kazan”) are already commissioned while fivemore are currently under construction at the Sevmash yard in Severodvinsk.
 
Interestingly, the Russians are claiming something else.

Built in the 1980s and early 90s, the Akula class nuclear-powered attack submarines were considered to be some of the quietest sailing the world’s oceans.

Six of them are sailing for the Northern Fleet, with Gadzhiyevo on the Kola Peninsula as homeport.

Although Russia’s new 4th generation muliti-purpose subs of the even quieter Yasen class now are entering service, it seems like the Navy would keep the Akula class in operation for a long time.

With reference to the Defense Ministry’s Zvezda television, the military analyst new-site Jane’s reports that the Akulas with overhauls and maintenance can stay in operation at least another 25-30 years.

The oldest Akula sailing for the Northern Fleet is “Pantera” (K-317), commissioned in 1990. The newest is “Gepard” (K-335), commissioned in 2001. Sailing for another 25-30 years will make the submarines 50 to 60 years old before they reach retirement age.

Two of the new Yasen-class subs (“Severodvinsk” and “Kazan”) are already commissioned while fivemore are currently under construction at the Sevmash yard in Severodvinsk.
Those who will be refurbished to 971M (Akula 2) levels , all those will serve for that much more.

Rest will be upgraded only till 971U (Improved Akula 1). They will have life of 15 more years.

That article is from 2019. It was all rosy back then.

I wonder how no one picked up the news in January 17, 2022 that K391 is as good as scrap.

I talked to someone from the forum (i am unable to login back there as the administration there is now allowing only Russians)

He said that as far as he knows, the last update he knew was of 2020. That work has started on K391 for India and K295 for Russian Navy. Even he didn't pay heed to this news. Probably because they all were preoccupied with Ukraine.

But he did say that the hull of Irbis is untouched and it's most likely to be used by SSBN construction in future.
 
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So till 2021, everything was fine and 2026 was the timeline for delivery.
Must be misreporting. How can IN & RuN commit such a blunder as to be unable to gauge the health & sea worthiness of an N Sub ? We have to trust in the competence of our services irrespective of the many errors of commission & omission they commit.

Given the sensitivity involved now , it could be deliberate too .
 
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Those who will be refurbished to 971M (Akula 2) levels , all those will serve for that much more.

Rest will be upgraded only till 971U (Improved Akula 1). They will have life of 15 more years.

That article is from 2019. It was all rosy back then.

I wonder how no one picked up the news in January 17, 2022 that K391 is as good as scrap.

I talked to someone from the forum (i am unable to login back there as the administration there is now allowing only Russians)

He said that as far as he knows, the last update he knew was of 2020. That work has started on K391 for India and K295 for Russian Navy. Even he didn't pay heed to this news. Probably because they all were preoccupied with Ukraine.

But he did say that the hull of Irbis is untouched and it's most likely to be used by SSBN construction in future.

Kashalot was fake news, it was meant as clickbait because it sounded like cash-a-lot. Bratsk appears to be speculation.

I am not sure that any active Russian sub will be transferred to India, because they themselves need the subs. Especially in today's environment.

The two incomplete hulls at Sevmash were used in the Borei program. Apart from Nerpa, Amur had 3 other incomplete subs, one of those being Irbis. So, if the Irbis is being used elsewhere, there are still 2 other incomplete hulls left. These two hulls are slightly older than Irbis and are perhaps at a more advanced stage of completion. Even if two hulls are used up in the Laika program, one can still be used for India's needs.
 
Kashalot was fake news, it was meant as clickbait because it sounded like cash-a-lot. Bratsk appears to be speculation.

I am not sure that any active Russian sub will be transferred to India, because they themselves need the subs. Especially in today's environment.

The two incomplete hulls at Sevmash were used in the Borei program. Apart from Nerpa, Amur had 3 other incomplete subs, one of those being Irbis. So, if the Irbis is being used elsewhere, there are still 2 other incomplete hulls left. These two hulls are slightly older than Irbis and are perhaps at a more advanced stage of completion. Even if two hulls are used up in the Laika program, one can still be used for India's needs.
I tried going throught whatever I can find today. Now I give up. 😂

We will know more when Russians themselves release some more news.
 
Must be misreporting. How can IN & RuN commit such a blunder as to be unable to gauge the health & sea worthiness of an N Sub ? We have to trust in the competence of our services irrespective of the many errors of commission & omission they commit.

Given the sensitivity involved now , it could be deliberate too .
Maybe. This is all I can dug up. Maybe some more material will be on Reddit, but I give up searching for more now.

I found iiss 2021, I had almost forgat about the publication , i will be going through that for a couple of days now 😂
 
Going thru the print articles
Moscow and New Delhi are now working out a new payment system for defence equipment already ordered, including leasing of the third nuclear submarine.

Actually no other mention or information given, just that a new lease is on the card.

 
Going thru the print articles
Moscow and New Delhi are now working out a new payment system for defence equipment already ordered, including leasing of the third nuclear submarine.

Actually no other mention or information given, just that a new lease is on the card.

A fraction of payment was already made. And the two submarines which were offered and upon inspection was found to be trash.

The only way forward is again to refurbish and refuel the Chakra and lease that back.
 
A fraction of payment was already made. And the two submarines which were offered and upon inspection was found to be trash.

The only way forward is again to refurbish and refuel the Chakra and lease that back.
Eh is there any point? We sent it back early.
Today there was the DRDO chiefs office handover from Dr reddy and there is a snap of his room. Notice two submarine models in both side of the picture top, some are arguing the right side one is SSN.
Can you also identify please, any of the models inside under it?
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Eh is there any point? We sent it back early.
Today there was the DRDO chiefs office handover from Dr reddy and there is a snap of his room. Notice two submarine models in both side of the picture top, some are arguing the right side one is SSN.
Can you also identify please, any of the models inside under it?
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For Desi ssn. Its better to wait. Let's see what comes out. 2032 is the projected year for first to get into service.