how did you come to that conclusion? You just decided low class SC/ST and reservation. Even candidates who get reserved seats need to compete with millions of people to get there. She definitely was a top pick and there is no indication that she didn't deserve her medicine or IFS position.
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how did you come to that conclusion? You just decided low class SC/ST and reservation. Even candidates who get reserved seats need to compete with millions of people to get there. She definitely was a top pick and there is no indication that she didn't deserve her medicine or IFS position.
My son did a survey and you too can do it yourself. Go to the website of Delhi Technical University which was earlier Delhi college of Engineering. Check out the cut off JEE ranking of General category for every subject and the rank of SC/ST candidates in the same stream. You will know how good this system of reservations has been. And when these people fail the exams in such engineering institutions, they blame the upper caste teachers/Professors for being baised. When they do not get promotions in jobs for being sub standard and unable to compete with General category people, they claim injustice and want reservations in promotions.
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@Guynextdoor, I am posting the link from DTU about cutoffs of JEE for admissions to DTU. read it and educate yourself and than tell me how can you equate the SC/STs with general category and these categories get reservation even in education upto 12 th standard but remain substandard thruout their life. and Yet they want to be equated at par with those who do not get any reservation benefit.
http://dtu.ac.in/Web/notice/2018/may/file0507.pdf
http://dtu.ac.in/Web/notice/2018/may/file0507.pdf
Lol! I can assure you that the cutoffs don't matter. When I was taking CAT a person could answer 6 out of 20 and get a call...the exams were that tough. And the markings were different.
Really!!!. Do you mean to say cutoffs and JEE rankings have no meaning? The total number of students who appeared for JEE in 2018 was 1043739 and the reserved category cutoff has gone as low as eigth lakh while the General category has not even touched 40k mark. How do you explain this. Most people below 5lakh ranking actually score in negative. That is marks in negative.
No- that the difference you think is massive can come from as little as one question being lesser for OBC.
I am talking about SC/STs and not OBC. Most OBCs are very well off and do not need 27% quota. Maybe just 10-12% would have been sufficient for them. What I am trying to point out is that most General Category cut offs are below 40K which is less than 4% of 10.5lakh students who took JEE 2018. And most SC cutoffs are close to 5 lakh mark which is close to 50% of the total number of students who took JEE 2018 and this figure rises to 8Lakh for STs. Can you compare top 4% with top 50% and can you say that based on this difference of knowledge, education and brains, the 50% can compete with top 4% ever in life?
I'm talking about the relative difference. You assume it's is significantly lower number of questions answered. That is not the case. If you're that disturbed we can give a 2% reservation for brahmins and upper castes.
Ram Gopal Yadav was also crying in Rajya Sabha just now stating that this one community has over 90% of all topmost jobs. And you want to give 2% reservation to us. These numbers are without reservation of anykind and that too after all the abuses which Periyar, commies and SC leaders shower on us.
considering several of the ancestors of upper castes have been showering abuses at lower castes, i don't think sucking it up a bit is an unreasonable request. Plus, as someone who has spent my whole life fighting for 'unreserved' seats, how strange that every classroom I ever sat in and every working place has ususally 90%+ of the upper castes? How do you explain that then? Is 80% of IAS made of 'resvered SC/ST/ OBC candidates? Is that the case with IIT/IIM/ DCE?
You asked me a question which is the answer in itself. with 25% of all seats in education upto 12th class reserved for EWS, why have they not been filled? We have free education including books, stationary and uniform for SC/STs and yet they do not send their kids to school. Who's fault is that? The upper age limit for SC/ST candidates in UPSC exams is 35 years with no limit in number of attempts and yet they do not have adequate number of JS why? It takes a minimum of 25 yrs service to become a JS but if you are going to be selected in 35th yr of your life, how will you become a JS at the age of 60 yrs after putting in 25 yrs of minimum qualifying service? That is the reason they are asking for quota in promotions. First you refuse to get educated, than you demand lower cutoff to get a job that too after unlimited attempts and finally when you can't meet minimum qualifying service criteria, you ask for reservations in promotions.
I have quite a few family friends who attended most of the II-institutes. Here are some interesting 'facts' I have learnt from them :
1. Reserved folks get special remedial classes where they are supposedly brought to speed with the rest of their peers.
2. Most of them struggle through course work. A number of them use their time in these degree programs to only prepare for government jobs exams.
3. They have higher rate of depression and suicides and expulsion from institute owing to bad performance.
4. A significant number of them struggle to get placed after course completion.
5. Almost all of them struggle with communication skills.
1. Reserved folks get special remedial classes where they are supposedly brought to speed with the rest of their peers.
2. Most of them struggle through course work. A number of them use their time in these degree programs to only prepare for government jobs exams.
3. They have higher rate of depression and suicides and expulsion from institute owing to bad performance.
4. A significant number of them struggle to get placed after course completion.
5. Almost all of them struggle with communication skills.
That was isolated to Kerala and certain pockets. And recent published findings based on DNA alalysis shows that they were not even native Brahmins, but brahmins converts from Jewish and some other Syrian immigrant communities around Konkan, Goa and Vizinjam the three port cities of the time, and in Karnataka also, the same immigrant community has been found to be the main causer of problems.
And it makes it hard to trust that the so called underprivilaged Dalit communities never go against the British or Church abuses. I've lost respect for these communities along time ago. They are nothing but beggers and cheats masquerading under various benefiting pretexts. Also it is a bit difficult to empthatise with them when they so easily aligns with the leftists and other anti-national NGOs, supposedly to get justice. If you want to be treated equals first learn character and gratefulness. Those who stake the motherland deserves nothing. Infact I'm kind of glad that they were 'contained' seeing how they are so untrustworthy. Maybe that is why these nation survived. I can only imagine the horrors if these people were in the power corridor in early times.
You nailed it. In one of the MBBS college, some SC students failed the exams six times. They finally filed a case against their teachers for failing them as they belonged to SC. So if you don't pass them and give them degree even if they are unfit, now they have SC/ST act to put you in jail without investigation.
A very large number of Muslims in India are converts from lower castes and their social status has not changed. They are still backward and they have been deprived nearly every benefit which SC/STs have. This new 10% reservation will for the first time give reservation to evn those poor muslims who had nearly zero avenues in govt jobs.
but if your logic is true then all of this is irrlevant because it does not matter whether they compete or not they will get both seats and jobs. Yet after soooooo much reservation, even 20 years after Mandal backward Classes (40% of pop) are only 12% of central jobs. Over 80% is upper castes.
Oh well, among most of us Muslims, the education or rather formal education has not been the pathway for upward mobility. We are more inclined towards business or working via our social networks. Look around you will find many Muslim family owned businesses, some big and some small.
Honestly after attending a significant degree and even employment I have also to the conclusion that self owned business is better.
I agree to this but this is correct only for well off Muslims. Majority are either farmers or are jobless and do very small jobs.
No, most of us are not exactly well off. You will find far too many drivers, whole-seller, courier folks etc who are Muslim in India. The difference is, we can chose to live in parts of the country where our money goes a bit further than big cities. When I mentioned "business" I guess I should have also mentioned "self-employed" as well.
Oh lastly, like most of the self-employed folks and ur-organized and informal businesses I guess a vast majority of us are not paying taxes. Not that I am proud of it...
A lady from Meena community recently got appointed a Physics teacher with just 0.16% marks in Physics. Can you imagine the amount of damage she will cause to the future generations of this nation as she will remain a physics teacher till the age of 65yrs. What Physics will she teach with 0.16% marks. This news was analysed by News18 team and found to be true. She got the job as she is from ST category and there was noone else to compete against her for lack of qualifications.