Indian Political Discussion

Shajida Khan said:
No, most of us are not exactly well off. You will find far too many drivers, whole-seller, courier folks etc who are Muslim in India. The difference is, we can chose to live in parts of the country where our money goes a bit further than big cities. When I mentioned "business" I guess I should have also mentioned "self-employed" as well.

Oh lastly, like most of the self-employed folks and ur-organized and informal businesses I guess a vast majority of us are not paying taxes. Not that I am proud of it...
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I have a very large number of muslim friends and I do know that just about 20% of all muslims in India are well off. 80% are pretty low in the social ladder.
 
vstol Jockey said:
A lady from Meena community recently got appointed a Physics teacher with just 0.16% marks in Physics. Can you imagine the amount of damage she will cause to the future generations of this nation as she will remain a physics teacher till the age of 65yrs. What Physics will she teach with 0.16% marks. This news was analysed by News18 team and found to be true. She got the job as she is from ST category and there was noone else to compete against her for lack of qualifications.
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you did not answer the question. If people are getting guaranteed jobs and college seats, how come 25 years+ after Mandal they have only 12% of total Central jobs though they are getting 80% of reservations? How come the numbers never translate on ground?

and obviously News18 was BSing. with .016% said lady never passed or got a degree to become eligible to apply for said job.
 
Guynextdoor said:
you did not answer the question. If people are getting guaranteed jobs and college seats, how come 25 years+ after Mandal they have only 12% of total Central jobs though they are getting 80% of reservations? How come the numbers never translate on ground?

and obviously News18 was BSing. with .016% said lady never passed or got a degree to become eligible to apply for said job.
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Did you not state that 80% of students in your class were upper castes. Unless you meet the minimum qualifying criteria, how will you get a job? Even for IAS, you need to be a graduate. What if you don't do even Graduation?
 
vstol Jockey said:
Did you not state that 80% of students in your class were upper castes. Unless you meet the minimum qualifying criteria, how will you get a job? Even for IAS, you need to be a graduate. What if you don't do even Graduation?
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you aren't answering the question again. If you say that 8 out of 10 people being hired for those jobs are backward classes, then how come composition after 25 years is still only 12% - it should be at least 70% considering many upper castes would have retired by now who were hired before the reservation came into effect.
 
vstol Jockey said:
I have a very large number of muslim friends and I do know that just about 20% of all muslims in India are well off. 80% are pretty low in the social ladder.
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Well, to be honest unless you haven't lived like a Muslim in India its hard to comprehend that lifestyle. Please note that this is not an insult or challenge. There are many many small things which you will find different:
1. A vast majority of folks I know live in a combined family kind of setup. It helps us to amortize expense over a larger number of people.

2. Few large expenses among majority of Indians are not that prominent among us. Things like marriages. Our marriage ceremonies are usually simpler -- atleast the ones that I have seen.

3. The amount of give and take among community members is quite a bit.

As much as I have seen, Muslims in India have a lifestyle which revolves around having non stable income. Honestly, as much as I have seen people here in North America, and back in India, people with 'stable' jobs tend to be more dependent and vulnerable to employment.

In all Muslims usually are not as much as well off in simple balance sheet terms, they are usually more resilient due to their lifestyles.
 
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Guynextdoor said:
you aren't answering the question again. If you say that 8 out of 10 people being hired for those jobs are backward classes, then how come composition after 25 years is still only 12% - it should be at least 70% considering many upper castes would have retired by now who were hired before the reservation came into effect.
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Your data is about class-1 & 2 jobs and niot about class-3 & 4. Pls recheck my statement and you will know that what I have posted is correct. In an earlier post, I had stated that biggest problem and heartburn is about these 3rd & 4th class jobs.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Your data is about class-1 & 2 jobs and niot about class-3 & 4. Pls recheck my statement and you will know that what I have posted is correct. In an earlier post, I had stated that biggest problem and heartburn is about these 3rd & 4th class jobs.
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which only proves that the government doesn't want cange right?
 
Guynextdoor said:
which only proves that the government doesn't want cange right?
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No govt has ever changed anything in a democracy. Its the people who need to change. Let SCs take full advantage of the opportunities gioven to them and they will not need reservations. This crutch of reservation has made them incompetent and unfit to compete with other castes.
 
Guynextdoor said:
Take you for instance. If they had given you farex when you were growing up you’d have understood the meaning of being systemically denied. But since they didn’t you have been systematically denied the opportunity to understand what is systemic
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seriously? this is your definition?

please define "systematic oppression" and also let me know the period this has happened.
 
vstol Jockey said:
No govt has ever changed anything in a democracy. Its the people who need to change. Let SCs take full advantage of the opportunities gioven to them and they will not need reservations. This crutch of reservation has made them incompetent and unfit to compete with other castes.
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yes, it is people who have to change...is the upper castes. Trust me upper classes have taken eevn more benifits for centuries and their 'competence' is seen in India being subjugated by british, joining forces with them to screw the country and 'warriors' losing every war they fought. Compared to that your maid servant has done nothing.
 
Guynextdoor said:
yes, it is people who have to change...is the upper castes. Trust me upper classes have taken eevn more benifits for centuries and their 'competence' is seen in India being subjugated by british, joining forces with them to screw the country and 'warriors' losing every war they fought. Compared to that your maid servant has done nothing.
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I don't think you're familiar with sociology. No it's not what you think. A sociopath isn't a student of sociology. Nor is a socialite or a socialist.
 
Guynextdoor said:
yes, it is people who have to change...is the upper castes. Trust me upper classes have taken eevn more benifits for centuries and their 'competence' is seen in India being subjugated by british, joining forces with them to screw the country and 'warriors' losing every war they fought. Compared to that your maid servant has done nothing.
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The people who decided to give reservation to backward castes were upper castes. Pls get your facts correct. The constituent assembly and subsequent ones were dominated by upper caste people and they passed the constitution which gave these reservations. Baba saheb did not ask for reservations in jobs or education. He asked for reservation only in legislature.
 
vstol Jockey said:
The people who decided to give reservation to backward castes were upper castes. Pls get your facts correct. The constituent assembly and subsequent ones were dominated by upper caste people and they passed the constitution which gave these reservations. Baba saheb did not ask for reservations in jobs or education. He asked for reservation only in legislature.
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oh wow! What a great thing to do. In return for 1000s of years of servitude one small group of upper castes gave resevrations. Anyway those upper castes were not 'upper castes', they were people like me- those who could overlook their previlage to do what is right for cuntry. Maybe you should follow their example too.
 
Alok verma : Le me do anything to save maa sonia.
Modi : Le me send you on vacation
Verma: You can't send me on vacation, me going court.
Court: Modi you can't send him to vacation, only high level select committee can.

Verma & Pappu : Yeeeeee !!!

Modi : Aao beta haveli pe :D:D
 
Guynextdoor said:
In return for 1000s of years of servitude one small group of upper castes gave resevrations. Anyway those upper castes were not 'upper castes', they were people like me- those who could overlook their previlage to do what is right for cuntry. Maybe you should follow their example too.
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so if for 1000's of years some one is subjugated then they are oppressed.

let me take an example of Telangana:
under Mughal rule,
Under Nizam rule
even during the British Raj, Nizam was ruling
The Razaakar movement destoryed several Hindu livelihoods
Brahmins were driven out (I belong to the displaced family)
From 1947 until I believe 1980 -s cogress won the Hyderbad area
then it was MIM Owaisi until now.

please tell me where and which community were oppressed here.

@vstol_jockey can help
Thanks
 
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