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vsdoc said:
Buddy, how does it really matter?

Look at it pragmatically (as a Parsi, I have common ground here .... with Hindu guys replacing Muslim ones for you).

The girl is lost to you anyways in terms of lineage.

Her progeny are never going to be Hindus.

Does it matter if she remains Hindu or converts? If I am not mistaken, except for a small group of Hindus somewhere in south India who practice matrilineal lineage, Hindus too have patrilineal lineage rules.

Cheers, Doc
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Gauri's kids will question islam and will explore Hinduism. They will understand dharma and respect it. Down they line they will call themselves "atheists" (due to the strong brainwashing against Hinduism) like Javed Akhtar. The next gen will then find their way back into Hinduism.

Salman Khan's entire family has married Hindus. From his father who got his mother converted, (but she became a hindu again) to his brothers who married hindu women without conversion and his sister who married a hindu man.

THeir children will understand dharma and respect it too. They will continue to find Hinduism part of their identity.

The daughter of that CPIM leader has left dharma forever. That is the difference.
 
ManavantraTruti said:
Gauri's kids will question islam and will explore Hinduism. They will understand dharma and respect it. Down they line they will call themselves "atheists" (due to the strong brainwashing against Hinduism) like Javed Akhtar. The next gen will then find their way back into Hinduism.

Salman Khan's entire family has married Hindus. From his father who got his mother converted, (but she became a hindu again) to his brothers who married hindu women without conversion and his sister who married a hindu man.

THeir children will understand dharma and respect it too. They will continue to find Hinduism part of their identity.

The daughter of that CPIM leader has left dharma forever. That is the difference.
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I do not disagree, because had we still been in Iran, Muslim Iranians (the still unmixed Persians) would still have been the same bloodlines. Hence spiritually and civilizationally still Zoroastrian.

Probably somewhere down the line Iranian Zoroastrians will relax their rules to allow for reversion. I do not know.

So by blood and reversion (within a generation, before they become "cultural" Muslims) I get your point.

But they could do that even if their mothers had converted "nominally" - which aside from Hadiya type brainwashing cases, is essentially what Muslim marriage conversions are.

Look at John Abraham - he is more Parsi than Christian.

Look at Farhan Akhtar - he is more Parsi than Muslim.

Look at Dina Jinnah - she was full Parsi, no Muslim.

Bottom line is that given the rules, and the space, a child will always culturally and spiritually be what his or her mother is, not his or her father.

Sad truth for us guys, which we need to accept, but it does not really whether we do or not ....

Cheers, Doc
 
vsdoc said:
I do not disagree, because had we still been in Iran, Muslim Iranians (the still unmixed Persians) would still have been the same bloodlines. Hence spiritually and civilizationally still Zoroastrian.

Probably somewhere down the line Iranian Zoroastrians will relax their rules to allow for reversion. I do not know.

So by blood and reversion (within a generation, before they become "cultural" Muslims) I get your point.

But they could do that even if their mothers had converted "nominally" - which aside from Hadiya type brainwashing cases, is essentially what Muslim marriage conversions are.

Look at John Abraham - he is more Parsi than Christian.

Look at Farhan Akhtar - he is more Parsi than Muslim.

Look at Dina Jinnah - she was full Parsi, no Muslim.

Bottom line is that given the rules, and the space, a child will always culturally and spiritually be what his or her mother is, not his or her father.

Sad truth for us guys, which we need to accept, but it does not really whether we do or not ....

Cheers, Doc
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John Abraham's parsi name is "Farhan", but not even he uses it. Rest assured, he is more christian than parsi.

Farhan akhtar and Zoya akhtar are definitely more muslim than parsi. This is despite their father being and Atheist.

You will find Farhan akhtar wish people Eid mubarak, but you will never find him wish people on parsi new year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/294673072143867904

Dina Jinnah left pakistan and islam for good. If she had remained in pakistan, then we all know how she would have turned out.

The ugly truth is that when islam is involved, the child is systematically taught to hate Hinduism and hold it in contempt. They would rather turn "atheist" than become hindu. Even culturally they would choose the west, over Hindu values.

This remains the universal truth.
 
ManavantraTruti said:
The ugly truth is that when islam is involved, the child is systematically taught to hate Hinduism and hold it in contempt. They would rather turn "atheist" than become hindu. Even culturally they would choose the west, over Hindu values.

This remains the universal truth.
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Largely true for nominal Muslims in Iran as well when they get to the west and are not chained to the ayatollas.

But I do not know about Hinduism, or how receptive it is to their plight, but in our case, to the largest extent, we practicing Zoroastrians are to blame.

Cheers, Doc
 
ManavantraTruti said:
The Morality of my demand is in the face of Love Jihad.

Grand daughter of Communist Leader A K Gopalan and daughter of CPIM MP Karunakaran, Diya Karunakaran converted to Islam to marry Marsad Suhail today.

While in delhi SRK married Gauri without any conversion. THAT is the moral dilemma.

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Marriage, my dear sir, is a private affair. If you are old enough to decide whom you bank with, you are old enough to decide whom you bank upon. What is interesting is the following :

If it takes about INR 2-3 (USD 3-4 thousand) lakh and four months on the part of 'Love Jihad Army' to marry a Hindu girl, it will take about USD 3-4 million to entice away 1000 Hindu girls. And to make a real impact in terms of 100 thousand girls, ie 1 Lakh girls, it will take about USD 300 to 400 million. Thats mouthful. To put it into perspective, ISIS, the biggest terrorist outfit in recent history, at the peak of its power was having an income of about 1 billion USD a year and they controlled oil rich areas of Syria. I doubt Kerala jihadis have that kind of budget.
 
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By poll trends are indicator of what I have been saying from sometime.

With this much arrogance your plans to send public to pakoda stalls may not succeed but public will definitely throw you back to tea stall.

Naresh Agarwal! wtf! Were you by any means short on motor mouth snakes that you need to borrow some from SP too?

Sadly good work at State and even by centre up to good extent is paying the price of arrogance and neglect of BJP. Its becoming increasingly hard to differentiate between BJP n others cuz of crooked techniques used to win anyhow.


They are alienating their most vocal and passionate supporters and it will haunt them in long term.
 
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Parul said:
Today's Bypoll Results are Shocker to me: :(

https://twitter.com/x/status/973903746756435969
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Its a result of laziness of Hindus where polling was 32% and they thought it was a done deal, while the ground workers didnt do much campaign, Muslims made sure every unemployed muslims were herded as a bloc to vote to vote booth for opposition.
It is good that bjp got a heads up in bypolls, you need a vaccine like this to keep your body from ever getting attacked on long run, it was a close contest in Gorakhpur, another takeaway is Congress losing deposits, which means it will be a cheer leader in National politics and cant make Pappu the PM even if it wants to, because others will demand their pound of flesh, that is good Congress and Nehru family mukt Bharat.
 
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Aravind said:
Its a result of laziness of Hindus where polling was 32% and they thought it was a done deal, while the ground workers didnt do much campaign, Muslims made sure every unemployed muslims were herded as a bloc to vote to vote booth for opposition.
It is good that bjp got a heads up in bypolls, you need a vaccine like this to keep your body from ever getting attacked on long run, it was a close contest in Gorakhpur, another takeaway is Congress losing deposits, which means it will be a cheer leader in National politics and cant make Pappu the PM even if it wants to, because others will demand their pound of flesh, that is good Congress and Nehru family mukt Bharat.
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Hey man, long time no see!

As for the Congress, if they are relegated to a really low position in the coalition, it would be damaging to the coalition too, because other than Rahul Gandhi, the opposition doesn't even have a single, unifying face they can rally behind. If Rahul is out of the picture and a tall leader iike Nitish Kumar is gone, then literally every single party leader and regional satrap in this alliance will be fighting to lead the Opposition because they all nurture ambitions of becoming PM.

That will be complete and total chaos, and ensure that any attempt at a "BJP vs Rest" type of coalition unravels.
 
RATHORE said:
Hey man, long time no see!

As for the Congress, if they are relegated to a really low position in the coalition, it would be damaging to the coalition too, because other than Rahul Gandhi, the opposition doesn't even have a single, unifying face they can rally behind. If Rahul is out of the picture and a tall leader iike Nitish Kumar is gone, then literally every single party leader and regional satrap in this alliance will be fighting to lead the Opposition because they all nurture ambitions of becoming PM.

That will be complete and total chaos, and ensure that any attempt at a "BJP vs Rest" type of coalition unravels.
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Hey man, was kind of busy,
I know how these regional satraps work, that is why this grand coalition is doomed from the start, Infighting will ensure they will break up easily, In wars, a Unified command and a closely connected army always wins over salad bowl mixture of different armies under different Generals, whose motivations, ideologies are different and such mixture of Armies can always be nullified, loyalties bought, divided etc. its all fair in politics and war. Let Sonia Maino host more coalition dinners these salad bowl of leaders will make such demands that it will be difficult to please all of them and sooner or later a pissed off leader will break away,adopt them and watch the fun. I don't see how Sonia's dream of making Rahul a PM will be fulfilled, when his presence always made sure Congress lost along with its ally like Akhilesh, Rahul is like BhasmAsura, those who touch or stay in his company get reduced to ash.;)
 
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Todays breakdown of Gorakhpurs verdict, most urban core BJP voters got lazy didnt vote, it was dismal 32% voter turnout, still BSP,SP combined together managed to win by just 5000 votes, so now you see where the fault lies and even both BSP,SP combined will not be a factor when its national elections where people vote differently, with Modiji at helm, RSS working, Core BJP workers working overtime,it will be a repeat of 2014.
 
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Aravind said:
Todays breakdown of Gorakhpurs verdict, most urban core BJP voters got lazy didnt vote, it was dismal 32% voter turnout, still BSP,SP combined together managed to win by just 5000 votes, so now you see where the fault lies and even both BSP,SP combined will not be a factor when its national elections where people vote differently, with Modiji at helm, RSS working, Core BJP workers working overtime,it will be a repeat of 2014.
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Exactly. BJP voters are lazy voters and also more educated. The low turnout itself was a clear indication that people opposed to BJP had voted enmass while the supporters had stayed away. But this shows that BJP can overhaul SP+BSP+Congress in UP when its about national elections.
 
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Told you these elections would be interesting. This was Akhilesh Yadav's revenge for Kasganj. When you contest elections to defeat some party(BJP) is different from When you contest elections to win.

Even RJD has managed to defeat BJP + JDU, Lalu has managed to win elections from jail. Thanks to BJP finishing off Congress and left, now space is available for regional parties to grow.

In Yogi Adityanath's Gorakhpur, An Unprecedented Blackout As BJP Trailed
The media, which gets special Election Commission cards, was kept 15 feet from the area in in Gorakhpur and the sight was blocked by curtains.
In Yogi Adityanath's Gorakhpur, An Unprecedented Blackout As BJP Trailed -- link

Both SP and RJD have done superior social engineering(Compared to Amit shah and RSS)

https://twitter.com/x/status/973916554214682624

https://twitter.com/x/status/973938550109548545

https://twitter.com/x/status/973898057724014592

https://twitter.com/x/status/972702877889146880

Most people(BJP enthusiats) won't even recognize the SP candidate Pravin Nishad, son of Nishad party chief Sanjay Nishad, Nishads are the rightful owners of Gorakhnath mutt not Yogi. Look at the crying face of Yogi, his pride is broken.
 
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