Indian supersonic missile reached Mian Channu in Pakistan : ISPR

Just so you know. The mechanical maintenance or decoupling with the war head cant be done in the field. The missile canister has to be sent to Hyderabad workshop at IBC where there is a lengthy process of opening the canister performing the maintenance and resealing the canister. Check out brahmos website it mentions maintenance in the Hyderabad facility.

And if the maintenance was being done on the missile it has to be slided out and put on a workbench. So the missile doesn’t automatically float in the air align itself vertically and launch. And if only software maintain is being done the missile canisters would still be in horizontal state on the launcher, there are n number of levers to be pulled on the trunk to make it vertical and get it into launch configuration. The maintenance theory is wrong.

I would go with either a sending a message or what @Nilgiri mention about probing enemy defense. I fo have a training simulation going wrong theory but youll have to be extremely unlucky to pull that off.
 
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If you see the track of this missile, you will find that It flew in an area which was equidistant from the main airways and when it reached pak airspace which had north-south airways, it had dipped down to avoid hitting any aircraft in that area. It was not a loose missile but a directed missile with mid course guidance.
 
If you see the track of this missile, you will find that It flew in an area which was equidistant from the main airways and when it reached pak airspace which had north-south airways, it had dipped down to avoid hitting any aircraft in that area. It was not a loose missile but a directed missile with mid course guidance.

The 90 degree Right turn at Pakistan border was very impressive

This means that if we want to attack Sargodha airbase , we can target it from Multiple sites ie From Jammu , Punjab and Rajasthan
 
I think India waited for Pak to make up its story and accordingly given the statement.

When Pak itself says missile is unarmed, who are we to deny it. So the te lapse in giving out statement.

First picture where the engine exhaust nozzle was shown, there was a crater. I presume such can be made in steep dive mode if its unarmed.

But few building s were demolished and alos has a crater.
 
If you see the track of this missile, you will find that It flew in an area which was equidistant from the main airways and when it reached pak airspace which had north-south airways, it had dipped down to avoid hitting any aircraft in that area. It was not a loose missile but a directed missile with mid course guidance.
looks like we didn't release the story as we knew they couldn't track it after all. but Pakistanis bluffed both the location and the path.



@Cobra @zapper what did I say yesterday :cool:...the practice simulation theory.

"Asked why there was no warhead, sources explained that it was a practice missile, which meant that everything was exactly the same as an armed BrahMos missile except for the warhead."
 
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looks like we didn't release the story as we knew they couldn't track it after all. but Pakistanis bluffed both the location and the path.



@Cobra @zapper what did I say yesterday :cool:...the practice simulation theory.

"Asked why there was no warhead, sources explained that it was a practice missile, which meant that everything was exactly the same as an armed BrahMos missile except for the warhead."
@cobra @zapper @Nilgiri @Parthu
So here is what could have happened according to me.

The military has a few dummy test launchers to train their crew. These launchers have different modes, it can be used for launching real missiles (or dummy missiles) or simulating a launch where all the steps are performed to evaluate the operators including the final step to pressing the launch buttons but the missile doesn't launch in the simulation mode. Maybe just maybe the mode was set wrong which triggered the launch of a dummy missile into Pakistan.

There are these limited test units for Air defense systems like spyder and s300 ( you could find a training video for s300 and also ICBMs on RT channel on YT ) so i assumed similar units for Brahmos would have been responsible. These are limited in number so they go around different commands evaluating operators from time to time.
 
No wonder the Special forces of terror has been reined in by neighbour..
Rather they ve been kept busy defending their own..
How the hell they could have anticipated this misfire?

Offensive defense .. 😈
In a way , what's happened is for the best I think. In case the Paxtanis harboured any doubt however small regarding the lethality & stealth of Brahmos & their ability to detect it , it's evaporated. Their armed forces who always knew what they were up against only had their worst fears confirmed.
 
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So here is what could have happened according to me.

The military has a few dummy test launchers to train their crew. These launchers have different modes, it can be used for launching real missiles (or dummy missiles) or simulating a launch where all the steps are performed to evaluate the operators including the final step to pressing the launch buttons but the missile doesn't launch in the simulation mode. Maybe just maybe the mode was set wrong which triggered the launch of a dummy missile into Pakistan.

There are these limited test units for Air defense systems like spyder and s300 ( you could find a training video for s300 and also ICBMs on RT channel on YT ) so i assumed similar units for Brahmos would have been responsible. These are limited in number so they go around different commands evaluating operators from time to time.

Yes this makes the most sense to me now.

There are major issues to rectify in these dummy missile cold-test systems.

Having everything vetted at ITR first (to the reliability needed) when doing (say) a new protocol etc.... before doing these at other areas of India....esp border areas.

Or addressing whatever it was that lapsed within this stuff this time.
 
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It will be gross, way too much of a fantasy but I think, Pakistan wanted to get their hands on Brahmos, or know the flight parameters of the missile, so they trapped some one in Indian Army and asked him to fire the Brahmos towards Pakistan in such a manner that it crash lands inside Pakistan and looks like an accident. There were NOTAMS in place in the same region and PAF was doing the sortie to trace the missile.
 
It will be gross, way too much of a fantasy but I think, Pakistan wanted to get their hands on Brahmos, or know the flight parameters of the missile, so they trapped some one in Indian Army and asked him to fire the Brahmos towards Pakistan in such a manner that it crash lands inside Pakistan and looks like an accident. There were NOTAMS in place in the same region and PAF was doing the sortie to trace the missile.
I think as usual you've nailed it . I won't be surprised in the least if some senior or mid level mid wit in the IA is discovered to have been honey trapped virtually with the ISI in possession of his unsavory solo pictures in various stages of undressing in the ongoing investigations.
 
It will be gross, way too much of a fantasy but I think, Pakistan wanted to get their hands on Brahmos, or know the flight parameters of the missile, so they trapped some one in Indian Army and asked him to fire the Brahmos towards Pakistan in such a manner that it crash lands inside Pakistan and looks like an accident. There were NOTAMS in place in the same region and PAF was doing the sortie to trace the missile.
Errr... only one problem... There is exactly same missile available (in terms of propulsion and flight parameters) from China. The only thing they might be interested are electronics.. I would rather bribe someone in Brahmos Corp to smuggle few chips as "defective"... This is too flashy and too public and too dangerous.
 
Errr... only one problem... There is exactly same missile available (in terms of propulsion and flight parameters) from China. The only thing they might be interested are electronics.. I would rather bribe someone in Brahmos Corp to smuggle few chips as "defective"... This is too flashy and too public and too dangerous.

Who knows they may have tried to bribe people in Brahmos Corporation and failed.

And secondly, it's not about raw electronics, its also about the programmed electronics. The data which is fed in missile in encrypted first like communication frequencies, telemetry protocols. If they get their hands on communication frequency and are able to break the encrypted details then it's a threat to missile system and satellites as well through cyber attack.
 
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I think as usual you've nailed it . I won't be surprised in the least if some senior or mid level mid wit in the IA is discovered to have been honey trapped virtually with the ISI in possession of his unsavory solo pictures in various stages of undressing in the ongoing investigations.

Its just a hypothesis, but it is possible and can't be ruled out in this case specially.
 
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