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I don't know about you but i know More Muslims ,Christians and Pakistanis than you do in Real Life.
So, whatever i say is after close,careful and long observation.
My annoyance is at the fact, people want Hindus to foot the bill and placate a section which oppressed Hindus for a 1000 years, killed 1 million people in 1947 for a special religious country. They stay back after getting their own country, which is fine by me, as long as they don't start mocking, abusing ,rioting against our religion,way of life,culture and go on to seek special demands like marry 4 wives, will follow sharia law, won't sing ' Vande Mataram' won't stand for National Anthem if played in theaters, adamantly refuse to give up or vacate the temple lands where mosques were built upon ,even after visual proof is provided in case of Kashi Gyanvapi Mosque etc.
Drive out Kashmiri HIndus, start Love Jihad to change demographics and turn it into a Islamic land using Population Jihad.
Why do all of these, why should we bear such people?
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You do know who his ancestors were and what they did?
The West apologizes daily to jews for Holocaust in WW2 and i can't even say 'His kind' after his Ancestors, oppressed, genocided Hindus
for a 1000 years? This is just great.
This is what i was explaining all about that is why there is a need for a change in the country and to come out of that Secular shell.
You dont know about me, but has audacity to claim that you know better than me !! Strange
Man, we all are individual first, our religion ethnicity shall not be our first identity. If you are responsible for act of your ancestors, then perhaps I must be hated in my country as well for belonging to a clan of zamindars ruling class which inflicted lot of social damage on many classes.
Do we not see most vile of persons being hindu? Your angst against a community shall not make you hate a person like @Superkaif who is respectable, bear no hatred for any religion, dont wear his religion on his chin and always want a constructive environment.
If you can not even spare such person, you definitely need to act and get some time for yourself and realizing some core facts that in the end we all are one and we owe ourself a peace time.
You think that way, others dont. You need to read the mentality,background. If everyone thought we are all one and it was peaceful,then why do you have countries, religions ,wars etc. Snap out of that Gandhian Utopia dream come back to pragmatic world.
That was the mistake Prithviraj Chauhan made to pardon Ghauri, thinking others were also honorable people. That is a fatal mistake.
What have you learnt from 1000 year history? Continue making the mistakes and fail again.
Overdose of morality and ethics during war led us to defeat several times and a long term slavery.
Will we learn from our ancestor's mistakes??
You know , buddy , we have our pet peeves and God knows we're entitled to them . I agree with this post of yours . But just as there's a time and place for everything , the same goes for your post and perhaps the person you direct it to . I don't think this member or Shajida Khan with whom you've been having a fairly lengthy exchange of posts with , belong to the category of Islamicists or Islamic supremacists . They just happen to be Muslims . Just like a good 200 million of our population . I cant see how they or their forefathers were responsible for the 1000 years of slavery concept that you and many others including me subscribe toYou do know who his ancestors were and what they did?
The West apologizes daily to jews for Holocaust in WW2 and i can't even say 'His kind' after his Ancestors, oppressed, genocided Hindus
for a 1000 years? This is just great.
This is what i was explaining all about that is why there is a need for a change in the country and to come out of that Secular shell.
I just don't think you're adopting the line of reasoning that you are with them is right or even warranted . I just thought of penning my views on the matter . The rest , I leave to your better judgement. Peace .
Finally knowing theres one aravind and one arvind has helped clear a lot of misunderstanding at my part.
Do you know why most people in Haryana and UP, especially Jaats and gurjars and Brahmins wear white swafaa on their head? My family trained them in night warfare and told them to wear white head gear to differentiate between friend and foe. babur and his forces never fought at night. Only Hindus fought at night and that was the turning point in war against muslims. Even Sikhs learnt it from us from present day Haryana and started attacking at the middle of the night just about 2hrs after the last namaz of Muslims. That ensured that they were fast asleep after a very heavy dinner and unable to fight. These jokes about 12 o clock about sikhs started from those attacks. They used to kill like butchers in those attacks.
Agree with you, they may not be what i say, but there is a wide speared specific purpose, to be support Anti-anything that Hindus raise issues, Whether it be Cow, Ayurveda,Yoga, Surya Namaskar, Vande Mataram, or how this country has gone to dogs if some Hindus do a Havan for rain, anything we feel proud of is put down, heckled,mocked.taunted etc. They think by constantly haranguing and putting down Hindus, beliefs,religion,customs they can make Hindus their pawns (Since they think, humiliating them,will degrade their self respect and thus,be captive to their Secular gimmicks).
This has been the norm of things since Nehru rule, but the same lot will never speak a word against other religions as its off limits, only Hindus are punching bag,
Nobody can stop Hindus from reclaiming their right , They may try to hammer Secularism continously on Hindus, but it will turn the Hindus even more stubborn and unrelenting. Nobody can be subdued for long, it is folly to think you can keep a pressure cooker boiling all the time with its lid on. There will come a time when it will blow a gasket and then people will be very sorry at the scale of reaction .
They don't even have a iota of regret and apology for the crimes of their ancestors and try to bully Hindus in their own land even now.
First let them apologize and return our temples they destroyed. That will pave way for reconciliation, or else this confrontation will continue till it will reach a point,where majority blows a gasket and lets off a lot of steam.
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I was talking in general,of how Ghazni attacked Prithviraj Chauhan in the Night. Rama Raya betrayed by Muslim generals in his army at battle of Tallikota
Who thought everyone were honorable like them.
Always follow Chanakya and Lord Shree Krishna's advice on dealing with people.
You were never specific by what you meant by 'You'. From the looks of it you are pointing to muslim community. Honestly, there is not 'us' in muslim community and especially no 'us' among ancient Muslim rulers and conquerers of India. Most of Muslims in India hardly know one word in Turkish languages -- the one spoken with in Mughal households. Mostly modern Muslim in India cann't be anymore different to those ancient regal families. I don't understand why you club all of Indian Muslims in one group of 'You'. I personally do not have any representative capability for Indian Muslims and neither do any Muslims from one part of country to another. Heck Muslims are fairly diverse bunches in India. What I find deplorable is that you are giving credit to British for not committing mass murder? I guess you don't know about Bengal Famine. More people died in that one famine than all of Muslim rules put together. But thats okay, right? Becuase British were not Muslim? Right?
I guess any further is discussion is worthless. Bigotry is strong in you!
As a keen student of history, I would like to know the data which lead to above conclusion. Please don't confuse me being biased towards anyone but out of my own curiosity, wanted to know more about it.
Muslims voted 90% for Muslim League during Partition to create Pakistan, it was Your Ancestors.
If you have no affiliation to Muslim invaders, then why do you keep fighting to stop us from building a Ram temple in our holy land ,when it was proven by ASI that Mosque was built atop temple ruins.
Why any reason your love for Babur who was a invader as per you and why do you love his structure so much, you keep fighting for it even now. If that is not hypocrisy then i don;t know what is.
You can call what you want , but The British didn't go Murdering or raising mountains of heads of Hindus if they didnt convert.
The total toll of Muslim invasions and Genocide of Hindus over a period of 1000 years stands well over 100-150 million by least counts.
Here let me give you a lesson in history of your Ancestors, you cannot wash away your ancestors sins and act like nothing happened.
The sins of Ancestors come to haunt the Future generations and there will be a price to pay and Karma will make you pay it.
The British pale in comparison to your atrocities, The British have left for good, But you didn't after Partition, even now you want special rights, laws,subsidies given for you as if you are entitled to it and we are supposed to give it to you for your Generosity towards Hindus over the Centuries.
As i said before, you simply don't have a answer to my straight question , you deflect the question, bring up non specific issues without answering my question.
'Let me ask again'
' LIST THE BENEFITS HINDUS GET BY BEING SECULAR'
I Know you got no answer to my question instead you start accusing the people who question
you as Bigots, this is a tactic used by People from your religion, when people ask specific questions and they can't answer the questions , call the questioners bigots or Islamophobics etc.
Such tactics won't work here.
Hindus don't get any benefits for being Secular, Why should we be? when you are not.
Apologize for your Sins,repent, give back all our temples and remove you mosques from our temple lands, Stop targeting our religion then maybe there can be some sort of understanding. As long as that doesn't happen, people will view you through the same lens you view the world of Kafirs from your Koranic Kaleidoscope.
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Islamic India – The biggest holocaust in World History
The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognised by the World.
With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30,000 Rajputs after he captured Chithorgarh in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100,000 Hindus every year.( 100k Hindus every year killed 1lakh x 1000 years= 100,000,000 during peace time rule of your Muslim kings)
The history of medieval India is full of such instances. The holocaust of the Hindus in India continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700’s.
We have elaborate literary evidence of the World’s biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India’s Hindus.
These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed – and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist and Jainist, mass rapes of women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World’s biggest holocaust.
Quotes from modern historians
Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article “Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?” states:
“There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty.
The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526).“
He also writes in his book “Negation in India”:
“The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter.”
“The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period.”
Francois Gautier in his book ‘Rewriting Indian History’ (1996) wrote:
“The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese.”
“From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of ‘a holy war’ of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races.”
Irfan Husain in his article “Demons from the Past” observes:
“While historical events should be judged in the context of their times, it cannot be denied that even in that bloody period of history, no mercy was shown to the Hindus unfortunate enough to be in the path of either the Arab conquerors of Sindh and south Punjab, or the Central Asians who swept in from Afghanistan…The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed some dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.
“Their temples were razed, their idols smashed, their women raped, their men killed or taken slaves. When Mahmud of Ghazni entered Somnath on one of his annual raids, he slaughtered all 50,000 inhabitants. Aibak killed and enslaved hundreds of thousands. The list of horrors is long and painful. These conquerors justified their deeds by claiming it was their religious duty to smite non-believers. Cloaking themselves in the banner of Islam, they claimed they were fighting for their faith when, in reality, they were indulging in straightforward slaughter and pillage…”
A sample of contemporary eyewitness accounts of the invaders and rulers, during the Indian conquests
The Afghan ruler Mahmud al-Ghazni invaded India no less than seventeen times between 1001 – 1026 AD. The book ‘Tarikh-i-Yamini’ – written by his secretary documents several episodes of his bloody military campaigns : “The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at the Indian city of Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it…the infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river…but many of them were slain, taken or drowned… Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.”
In the contemporary record – ‘ Taj-ul-Ma’asir’ by Hassn Nizam-i-Naishapuri, it is stated that when Qutb-ul- Din Aibak (of Turko – Afghan origin and the First Sultan of Delhi 1194-1210 AD) conquered Meerat, he demolished all the Hindu temples of the city and erected mosques on their sites. In the city of Aligarh, he converted Hindu inhabitants to Islam by the sword and beheaded all those who adhered to their own religion.
The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book ‘Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar’ that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves.
This ruler once asked his spiritual advisor (or ‘Qazi’) as to what was the Islamic law prescribed for the Hindus. The Qazi replied:
“Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu’s mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated.”
“they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty.
“In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword’
Timur thereupon resolved to put them to death. He proclaimed :
“throughout the camp that every man who has infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasir-ud-din Umar, a counselor and a man of learning, who, in all his life had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives“.
“In a short space of time all the people in the [Delhi] fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers.
“They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground….All these infidel Hindus were slain, their women and children, and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors. I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death.”
The Mughal emperor Babur (who ruled India from 1526 -1530 AD) writing in his memoirs called the ‘Baburnama’ – wrote : ” In AH 934 (2538 C.E.) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours. We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been Daru’l-Harb (nation of non-muslims) for years was made into a Daru’l-Islam (a muslim nation).”
In Babur’s own words in a poem about killing Hindus (From the ‘Baburnama’ ) he wrote :
“For the sake of Islam I became a
wanderer,
I battled infidels and Hindus,
I determined to become a martyr
Thank God I became a Killer of
Non-Muslims!”
The atrocities of the Mughal ruler Shah Jahan (who ruled India between 1628 – 1658 AD) are mentioned in the contemporary record called : ‘Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahori’ and goes on to state : “When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus…The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts….Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars (Noblemen)”wanderer,
I battled infidels and Hindus,
I determined to become a martyr
Thank God I became a Killer of
Non-Muslims!”
The Afghan ruler Ahmad Shah Abdali attacked India in 1757 AD and made his way to the holy Hindu city of Mathura, the Bethlehem of the Hindus and birthplace of Krishna.
The atrocities that followed are recorded in the contemporary chronicle called : ‘Tarikh-I-Alamgiri’ :
“Abdali’s soldiers would be paid 5 Rupees (a sizeable amount at the time) for every enemy head brought in. Every horseman had loaded up all his horses with the plundered property, and atop of it rode the girl-captives and the slaves. The severed heads were tied up in rugs like bundles of grain and placed on the heads of the captives…Then the heads were stuck upon lances and taken to the gate of the chief minister for payment.
“It was an extraordinary display! Daily did this manner of slaughter and plundering proceed. And at night the shrieks of the women captives who were being raped, deafened the ears of the people…All those heads that had been cut off were built into pillars, and the captive men upon whose heads those bloody bundles had been brought in, were made to grind corn, and then their heads too were cut off. These things went on all the way to the city of Agra, nor was any part of the country spared.”
Why we should remember
The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history.
When we hear the word HOLOCAUST most of us think immediately of the Jewish holocaust. Today, with increased awareness and countless cinema films and television documentaries – many of us are also aware of the Holocaust of the Native American peoples, the genocide of the Armenian peoples in the Ottoman Empire, and the millions of African lives lost during the Atlantic slave trade.
Europe and America produced at least a few thousand films highlighting the human misery caused by Hitler and his army. The films expose the horrors of Nazi regime and reinforce the beliefs and attitude of the present day generation towards the evils of the Nazi dictatorship.
In contrast look at India. There is hardly any awareness among the Indians of today of what happened to their ancestors in the past, because a great majority of historians are reluctant to touch this sensitive subject.
The World seems to either ignore or just does not seem to care about the many millions of lives lost during the 800 – year long holocaust of Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhist in India.
The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.
Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times – including the 10th Sikh Guru – Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king – Shivaji Maratha – who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s – after centuries of death and destruction.
The modern World today is facing a global threat from organizations and groups of terrorists such as the ISIS, Taliban and Al-Qaeeda – whose ideology is chillingly similar to that of the perpetrators of the World’s biggest holocaust in India.
Let us hope that the bloody lessons of the past are learnt so that history does not even have the remotest chance of repeating itself.
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can we get back to the topic? every topic going towards Hindu Vs Muslim is only hurting our forum and country too. we are not helping the cause that we all want - a better India for all of us.
The topic was diverted by our Sickular friends here who want to deny that this land is called Hindustan 'Land of Hindus' and started talking about Sickularism. If they are going to vehemently deny, this land had been the birthplace and will remain Hindu land always, Why should special provisions be given to those who want to deny this is Hindu Land, then They would be shown the reality of their place of standing in the country. Ask them to stop mocking and heckle everything Hindus do, be it Yoga,Havan,Ayurveda or our religion,cow,culture,way of life. we never mocked their beliefs, they better not mock ours.
if that happens, report and move on please. do not continue to derail the thread. there is lot of space in the forum to discuss land of hundu etc.
are we doing good under Modi or Not? your reasons?