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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Calling Pakistani PM a Beggar is not an offence

The Pakistani TV talk shows also use the same words

You have not yet understood the Pakistani
Psyche

They have Internalised and Got Used to their economic crisis and the endless bouts of Begging

Now here lies the catch

That is they will keep begging Happily

But will Not give up their Anti India attitude
Which brought them to this position in the first place

Numerous Western experts have said the same thing many a times previously

That is , Pakistan will easily solve it's economic problems , if it normalises it's
Relations with India
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Sorry dear, my rhetoric is not informed by the language of Talk shows, its based on general decency. I would again request you to refrain from using such language, given you are quite capable of driving your point without being crass or condescending.

I don't claim to understand anyone's psyche, nor am I interested to do so.

I have interacted with multiple nationalities and have had a few Pakistani friends and students here in the US , the way I look at online conduct anywhere is, will I be able to talk about any nationality with the same language in real life, I don't think I would ever say that to any of Pakistani or Bangladeshi students I have interacted with, then why would I ever say such a thing on a decent forum that we are trying to build here.

Rest I leave up to you.
 
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Milspec said:
Sorry dear, my rhetoric is not informed by the language of a Talk shows, its based on general decency. I would again request you to refrain from using such language, given you are quite capable of driving your point without being crass or condescending.

I don't claim to understand anyone's psyche, nor am I interested to do so.

I have interacted with multiple nationalities and have had a few Pakistani friends and students here in the US , the way I look at online conduct anywhere is, will I be able to talk about any nationality with the same language in real life, I don't think I would ever say that to any of Pakistani or Bangladeshi students I have interacted with, then why would I ever say such a thing on a decent forum that we are trying to build here.

Rest I leave up to you.
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The Pakistani Americans are obviously
Interested in bettering their own lives

Hence I would expect them to be Rational and decent people

They can feign it , at least for a while

Yet FYI , and also as you might have personally seen on PDF ,
the Overseas Pakistanis have the Same Hostile attitude towards India as the Pakistanis living inside Pakistan

As they say , the apple does not fall far from the tree
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
The Pakistani Americans are obviously
Interested in bettering their own lives

Hence I would expect them to be Rational and decent people

They can feign it , at least for a while

Yet FYI , and also as you might have personally seen on PDF ,
the Overseas Pakistanis have the Same Hostile attitude towards India as the Pakistanis living inside Pakistan

As they say , the apple does not fall far from the tree
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Again, I keep repeating, I do not wan't this forum to be a BR or a PDF. I do not wan't anyone to feel unwelcome to engage in in discourse; you are quite capable of carrying out an informed discussion without generic insults. Lets be civil, lets be welcoming of all views, all nationalities. Lets not generalize large populations based on conduct of few, lets not be another forum out there.
I don't think we are looking to be largest forum in the internet; this place was created to have an informed debate and discussion on strategic and defense issues. When country specific policy discussions are involved, we can very well carry out that discussion without hurling expletives. If we get PDF type rabid posters here, we will take care of it, rest assured.
 
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randomradio said:
There is not a single aircraft in their inventory that is a match to even our least advanced aircraft now.

Gagan Shakti is already keeping them awake at night.
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Yes, but with the JF17 now replacing their Q5, Mirage 5, J7, and even F16 A/B with high number of Away and FC31 joint in the future, with UAV's and joining with Chinese Space assets, they have done quite well in the small budget. On the naval front, they are counting on the Subs. To sum up the Pakistani defence won't be the peace of cake for the quick air superiority when they will be fighting in their airspace with ground radars, and awacs supporting and guiding the JF17. On offensive the subsonic cruise missile and glide bombs would ensure they could hit us from safer distance. Mind you the next clash won't be longer than 1 or 2 week.
 
lcafanboy said:
Pak to spend 21pc of the Total Budget on Defence - Gets sucked into an Arms Race it can't afford
Pak to spend 21pc of the Total Budget on Defence - Gets sucked into an Arms Race it can't afford

what do you have to say now?

When your population is reeling under economic hardships you don't go on a military spending sprees. But Pakistani army and Govt to do one up manship against India due to hatred makes its population at large suffer economic hardships. This is wrong and therefore have become a laughing stock of world....😁😁😂

Now don't blame me...
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In fact more pressure is required by opening another front and raise the cost of proxy war they are fighting.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Let me be even more blunt

Pakistanis are INCOMPETENT people

All this Anti India behaviour is the result of
Frustration and Jealousy , arising out of
Their own Incompetence

They can never come out of their Economic crisis

Even China has accepted that Pakistan is in a Debt Trap

'Western countries pushed Pakistan into debt trap': Chinese envoy defends CPEC investment | The Express Tribune
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Negative, the leadership were always in delema to prove the two nation theory, which needs the religious sentiments prevail over the logical minds. The saner voice gets suppressed in the chaos.
 
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zebra7 said:
Yes, but with the JF17 now replacing their Q5, Mirage 5, J7, and even F16 A/B with high number of Away and FC31 joint in the future, with UAV's and joining with Chinese Space assets, they have done quite well in the small budget. On the naval front, they are counting on the Subs. To sum up the Pakistani defence won't be the peace of cake for the quick air superiority when they will be fighting in their airspace with ground radars, and awacs supporting and guiding the JF17. On offensive the subsonic cruise missile and glide bombs would ensure they could hit us from safer distance. Mind you the next clash won't be longer than 1 or 2 week.
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In a few years, they won't even have their own airspace actually.
 
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randomradio said:
There is not a single aircraft in their inventory that is a match to even our least advanced aircraft now.
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:confused: wait you're not aware of PAF's 18 blk-50/52 & 45 upgraded F-16s. Also there are 24 nuclear capable f-16s and 12 mirages with Raad.

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randomradio said:
In a few years, they won't even have their own airspace actually.
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Yeah! With 3 S-400 battalions and BMD deployed Pakistan will be at India's mercy....
India will controlling entire Pakistani air space.

Pakistani sea lanes and coastal areas are already at Indian Navy's mercy....😉

Rag Tag pyjama chaap Pakistani army will only have ATUM BUM gas to FART at India in a couple of years...😉
 
Himanshu said:
:confused: wait you're not aware of PAF's 18 blk-50/52 & 45 upgraded F-16s. Also there are 24 nuclear capable f-16s and 12 mirages with Raad.

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The M-2000 and Mig-29 upgrades comfortably surpass the F-16 Block 52+. Not to mention our jets are all better integrated within our network than PAF F-16s are within their's. The only saving grace for PAF is not all of IAF's M-2000s have been upgraded yet, but there's only 3 years left for the full fleet.

I didn't consider all the old jets that are to be withdrawn over the next few years from both air forces. So no Mig-21/27, F-7 and Mirage III/V.
 
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randomradio said:
The M-2000 and Mig-29 upgrades comfortably surpass the F-16 Block 52+. Not to mention our jets are all better integrated within our network than PAF F-16s are within their's. The only saving grace for PAF is not all of IAF's M-2000s have been upgraded yet, but there's only 3 years left for the full fleet.

I didn't consider all the old jets that are to be withdrawn over the next few years from both air forces. So no Mig-21/27, F-7 and Mirage III/V.
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That AIM120C5 stands out.
 
Milspec said:
I highly doubt that number.
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It's a pretty standard number for a jet of its size. I expect it to be higher with a more advanced engine.

Su-35 = 3600Km
MKI= 3000Km
Gripen E = 2500Km
Super Hornet = 2400Km
J-31 = 2400Km
Rafale = 2200+Km
Mig-29UPG = 2100Km... with CFT.
Mig-29M = 2000Km
JF-17/J-10 = 1800Km
LCA = 1700Km
Gripen C = 1600Km
Mig-29S = 1450Km

2400Km for J-31 is quite reasonable.

Milspec said:
That AIM120C5 stands out.
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Yep. All jets have some or the other advantage.

Anyway, the Israelis and French know how to counter the Aim-120C5 through the D-29 and ICMS Mk3 EW suites.
 
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