We can keep going back and forth on this, but it feels like a genuine impasse; so I'm just going to drop it at this point. Perhaps we'll end up discussing this topic again in a few years, depending on what happens in the future.
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We can keep going back and forth on this, but it feels like a genuine impasse; so I'm just going to drop it at this point. Perhaps we'll end up discussing this topic again in a few years, depending on what happens in the future.
Leaked video shows former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf seeking covert US support to regain power
Old Army Saying - Old soldiers never die. They simply fade away.
PA saying - Old soldiers never die. They don't even fade away.
@Hellfire
Old Army Saying - Old soldiers never die. They simply fade away.
PA saying - Old soldiers never die. They don't even fade away.
@Hellfire
Exactly. If you are up against multiple enemies, kill and destroy as many of them possible with most devastating weapons to bring down the ratio. If we have to fight a two front war, I will go for pre-emptive nuke strikes on Pakistan and take on China in conventional battle. That will completely turn the game and make India superior to China in terms of numbers.
I had written here that China is using Pakistan and NK to subdue three of the top five economies-USA, Japan & India. This game plan of China can be blown off by taking out Pakistan from the equation. Once we take out Pakistan, China will be like a man with one hand. it will even loose SCS.
@Hellfire @vstol Jockey
Two front war is a Bogey to do Nothing Against Pakistan
Right now there is winter , Himalayan passes are fully snowed in
Yet what are we seeing is just same stupid
Mortars on LOC
This is the Best time to do some hard hitting across POK.
Using heavy artillery , And Air strikes
Pakistan is in absolutely no position to escalate
We can Rub their faces in dirt
Two front war is a Bogey to do Nothing Against Pakistan
Right now there is winter , Himalayan passes are fully snowed in
Yet what are we seeing is just same stupid
Mortars on LOC
This is the Best time to do some hard hitting across POK.
Using heavy artillery , And Air strikes
Pakistan is in absolutely no position to escalate
We can Rub their faces in dirt
Political correctness and idea of presenting a soft front is nature of Indian rhetoric, all walks of life including the military; can do that. In my estimate, forces especially Indian forces are and will remain something like a Hammer. It can lie dormant, but intrinsically it is all metal and waiting to strike down nails, when given the opportunity it will bring it's force down with all it's might, without remorse in clinical fashion.
The well articulated @Hellfire can construct narrative about peace, conflict resolution and restraint, the same @Hellfire can also rain down lead with a MMG to mow down an entire enemy platoon without blinking. That is what Indian Military is; articulate but resolute.
The Billion dollar question is when
Why not do it now , when there are several
Things in our favour
The Hammer waits.......
The problem in India is not the hammer, but the person using that hammer is too scared he might smash his won fingers. The nail knows this and is very confident its never going to get nailed in its lifetime.
I thought IK was champion of minority rights.... I even thought that he is going to start an university by himself where he will lecture other world leaders on minority rights.....
Apni ghar samhaltha nahi inse..... Nikla Dunia pe Raaz karne
From where did they found money for 600 tanks and 150 self propelled guns? If they have money why are they knocking doors of IMF with a bowl....
Best strategy for India is to heat up loc and borders with limited elongated war 3-6months and some aggressive naval and air force manouvres so they end up spending money on it. This will break their economy further and prevent capital expenditure on new weapons....☺
Aww is that dog a mongrel? How does it even survive in that cold.This is what winters are along LC
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The under posted photograph is at the entrance of a shelter which is 5 feet above the ground level on a platform to level for establishment on a post. That is a 6ft human height. Note the snow accumulated.
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Yes, that is I.
And the general situation at about 10000 ft is like under:
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How do you propose, that we do that? How do you propose, that we evacuate our own casualties, replenish arms and ammunition and stocks used?
What, in your opinion, will be use of escalating without being able to exploit the situation, except, perhaps, increase the attrition?
I am always open to suggestions.
My favorite, coming out of entrance of a MMG bunker, and lying at an angle of almost 60 degrees at the face of the opening with photographer at about 4 feet above me.
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And this one will tickle you, am on a 18 feet high structure, around 3 or 4 feet above the ridge on a platform, with snow levels indicated by the side level of snow, after we opened our fiberglass shelter to prevent it from collapsing on a subpost, having tea and snacks on a sunny day after 23 days of blizzard, basking before we lost the sight of sun for about 32 days after this day.
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I am the one with the black shoes, in a tee and a grey sweat shirt with the black reebok wool capAnd a great day to SHAVE!!!!
I would love to know how do you propose we operate in such conditions! We have clearly failed!
If Cabinet or PMO issue war directives, Army will follow. Nobody question why.
That is your own belief , and as india is free country , everybody hold right to believe in anything.
Yes they do advice the policymakers to how to come up with best and optimum soln.
But once war directive is issued , it issued.
This is what winters are along LC
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The under posted photograph is at the entrance of a shelter which is 5 feet above the ground level on a platform to level for establishment on a post. That is a 6ft human height. Note the snow accumulated.
View attachment 3888
Yes, that is I.
And the general situation at about 10000 ft is like under:
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How do you propose, that we do that? How do you propose, that we evacuate our own casualties, replenish arms and ammunition and stocks used?
What, in your opinion, will be use of escalating without being able to exploit the situation, except, perhaps, increase the attrition?
I am always open to suggestions.
My favorite, coming out of entrance of a MMG bunker, and lying at an angle of almost 60 degrees at the face of the opening with photographer at about 4 feet above me.
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And this one will tickle you, am on a 18 feet high structure, around 3 or 4 feet above the ridge on a platform, with snow levels indicated by the side level of snow, after we opened our fiberglass shelter to prevent it from collapsing on a subpost, having tea and snacks on a sunny day after 23 days of blizzard, basking before we lost the sight of sun for about 32 days after this day.
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I am the one with the black shoes, in a tee and a grey sweat shirt with the black reebok wool cap
I would love to know how do you propose we operate in such conditions! We have clearly failed!
Perfectly brought out the life there for us to understand..
What I understand is that we don't have riches to have snow mobile vehicles , equipment s .. snow cleared roads .. etc
Mere survival there to be there to hold the line itself is high asking.
Brings me the memories of college days where govt supplies of drugs are limited.
We have prescribe within that limitations.
Equipment s are also were less ,, for example medic interns were supplied with glass syringes about less than 10 per ward of 20 beds and 30 patients.
Staff nurses will hold few more stocks that be be given not easily.
We interns have to manage doing Juggads with available items .
Situation s can be made bit easier if there top to down dedication and ethics is strictly followed.
Budgetary provisions if made less , no. Of Not Available indents get increased.
And finally it will be too much to ask from grass root entry level doctors who get paid 20k / month to become God and save people.
Seems all govt institution s have similar problems..
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I have a doubt , how one wash briefs and dry in snow.. with heat from fire ?
How often one gets to change breifs ?
Under such cold climate , if one doesn't drink water , chances for constipation will be more .. and hard stools tearing anus causing fissures are high .
Without hot tap water , I find even daily living itself will be such a stress.
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This is what winters are along LC
View attachment 3887
The under posted photograph is at the entrance of a shelter which is 5 feet above the ground level on a platform to level for establishment on a post. That is a 6ft human height. Note the snow accumulated.
View attachment 3888
Yes, that is I.
And the general situation at about 10000 ft is like under:
View attachment 3889
How do you propose, that we do that? How do you propose, that we evacuate our own casualties, replenish arms and ammunition and stocks used?
What, in your opinion, will be use of escalating without being able to exploit the situation, except, perhaps, increase the attrition?
I am always open to suggestions.
My favorite, coming out of entrance of a MMG bunker, and lying at an angle of almost 60 degrees at the face of the opening with photographer at about 4 feet above me.
View attachment 3890
And this one will tickle you, am on a 18 feet high structure, around 3 or 4 feet above the ridge on a platform, with snow levels indicated by the side level of snow, after we opened our fiberglass shelter to prevent it from collapsing on a subpost, having tea and snacks on a sunny day after 23 days of blizzard, basking before we lost the sight of sun for about 32 days after this day.
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I am the one with the black shoes, in a tee and a grey sweat shirt with the black reebok wool cap
I would love to know how do you propose we operate in such conditions! We have clearly failed!
Sir , I am not calling for Suicide missions by our Forces
But in whichever sector of LOC , when Pakistan initiates a Ceasefire Violation
Our Response should be more forcefull
Even if it means 155 mm , MBRL or even
Airstrikes
Don't DECLARE it , just do it
Declare at a later date
By the way , Today there has been a massive flare up on LOC
By the way last year December 2017
Jan and Feb of 2018
Saw intense fighting
But recently our response has become dull
If we don't hurt and humiliate them now
When will we do it
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Military diplomacy: COAS General Bajwa seeks $2 billion economic cushion for Pakistan 31 Dec, 2018
Military diplomacy: COAS General Bajwa seeks $2 billion economic cushion for Pakistan 31 Dec, 2018
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Sab Milke Bheek Maangne chale Hain
Imran goes to China
Bajwa goes to Qatar
Military diplomacy: COAS General Bajwa seeks $2 billion economic cushion for Pakistan 31 Dec, 2018
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Sab Milke Bheek Maangne chale Hain
Imran goes to China
Bajwa goes to Qatar
Military diplomacy: COAS General Bajwa seeks $2 billion economic cushion for Pakistan 31 Dec, 2018
Military diplomacy: COAS General Bajwa seeks $2 billion economic cushion for Pakistan 31 Dec, 2018
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Sab Milke Bheek Maangne chale Hain
Imran goes to China
Bajwa goes to Qatar
And then they present it to their public as if they have achieved some breakthrough
Imran Khan "AAj main kaum ko ek khushkhabri dena chahta hun"
@STEPHEN COHEN
Please see the under mentioned.
Pakistan's release of visuals on drone raises questions on Indian Army's claims
By Manu Pubby
source: Pakistan's release of visuals on drone raises questions on Indian Army's claims
I would urge you to not become like him, an apparently well respected expert.
The video am unable to copy. But can give a link later
Analysis of the Video:
1. Starts off with a photograph of a civilian with ASCOM in background. Wonder which military drone is employed without suitable 'electronic' measures to 'sanitize' the memory prior to deployment for military role? And carries around photograph of civil staff to be 'recovered' on shooting down?
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2. Of course the next picture which remains quite prominent as under, is that of a plaque for construction of a shelter exhibiting 13 Mahar and year 2004. It remains, a photograph of a structure please note the structure, appears solid construction with stone and mortar and appears to be a briefing room (from the silhouette of the type of chair inside the room)
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3. Please compare with the next picture. The photograph remains of what appears to be Rajputana Rifles Emblem (it is, no doubt about it) underneath Indian flag (usually placed before the Quarter Guard or Kote). Notice the difference in buildings?
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Note: The use of photographs at serial no 2 and 3 is of significance for two reasons: firstly, the angle of photograph at Serial No 2 is from a level where an quadcopter will not be flying and one can clearly see the parapet. In Serial No 3, the post appears in a terraced fashion, the probability of the quadcopter flying just above the level as indicated by the solid structure to the right is slim, especially since it is only a photo. It is an accepted and oft noted fact (by me) that we have porters in use on our side, who have, at times, been found to be linked in provision of low grade intelligence of set up on a post. The reverse is also true. Hence, the same from a quadcopter is at best, to be taken with a massive pinch bag of salt.
4. The next photograph of the 'quadcopter' is an overhead view of a post. Notice the discrepancy in buildings from photos Serial No 2 and 3 with the layout and overhead view of the flora and the buildings as also the surrounding area with the photograph as under? Notice how zooming in has been undertaken to show 'lift off' from post?
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5. A photograph of a solitary guard post along LC Fence has been posted to 'prove' Indian Quadcopter overflying Indian territory prior to entering into Pakistani side! (Correction: On further analysis, it is a generator for LC fencing Electrification wires)
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6. This is the interesting bit. We will have Photograph 6, captioned in a very self explanatory manner.
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On magnification of the same, I have exhibit 6a:
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Can anyone show me the correlation of all the photographs so far, with the post supposedly an Indian Post as shown (Orange Elliptical shape). If you concentrate on the lag (white oval) I see white with a very dark shade
7. Self explanatory:
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8. The picture below is interesting as when Pakistani Post is coming, the quadcopter is looking up and towards the river. Forget that as it overflies the post, it is not looking at the post, as can be seen at the fag end of the video.
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It is very interesting to note that actual flying video starts from 31st second of the video clip. If the Pakistanis have the video why not publish the take off and the destruction?
Another Fail
Comment: Was it so difficult for the 'esteemed' reporter to debunk it? I could, just as soon as I saw the video. Had I known of it earlier, would have debunked it then itself.
So, ignore what you assume is a 'domination' by PA. I laugh at that one.
Loved your dissection of it on PDF...ouch that left a mark haha...just happened to be listening to beethoven's egmont overture while I read thru that thread...made for perfect background music imo heh.
Incorrect. We have snow mobiles in Glacier where we can actually use them. Please understand that I can not post photographs primarily because lot of it remains sensitive in terms of allows one to assess where the picture has been taken from, thereby permitting a fair estimate of likely routes taken by own troops and positions en-route. Although most is known to the other side, still, why help them in the process.
Having said that, the area I have posted about, is neither conducive nor apt for driving a snow mobile in. These are highly unstable locations in terms of snow stability and probability of avalanches being triggered. In fact, we regularly undertake survey to identify likely sites of avalanches with build of snow overhangs and accumulation after a few hours of snow and if there is a threat, we deal with the unstable accumulation by triggering a controlled avalanche.
Additionally, the gradients do not support the move, and they will always be too noisy, thereby permitting easier location identification.
One of our President is reported to have made a rhetorical observation - what do the army people do?
Actually, the answer is nothing. As Kautilya summed it up, it is because they sit there, that every citizen works without a worry to make the society and nation better.
But that is being idealistic. I do agree with you, staying for 6 to 8 months in winter cut off, with blizzards around and expecting an ingress (it does take place, although rarely) with no source of continuous electricity and physiologic side effects of decreased appetite and increased BMR weakening your body, and erratic communications (signals of Satellite phones get disturbed in bad weather as also sometimes 'technical' fault), is the conducive environment wherein SAD sets in, and you do see spike in suicide.
To make matters worse, I recall a BSF jawan whose son had died in an accident (a 10 year old kid) and who had to go immediately from a forward winter cut off location for last rites, could not go for 10 days. But hats off to our nation, our government and our Armed Forces - every day there would be a Helicopter forward staged to quickly get him out as and when a window opened. For 10 days, helicopters would come in, waiting till last night before flying back to return next day. Imagine the costs - but no costs were spared by the armed forces.
In Siachen (Northern Glacier), the PA soldiers would climb for 28 days carrying their ration for the stay. Imagine Mi-17s of IAF coming in to drop rations every fair weather day. What impact it must be having on them? Life is tough, but nation's support is tremendous. No denying that.
I suspect that is to do with the sheer mismatch in provision of healthcare facilities as a ratio of the population to be catered for. Safdarjung had piles of Imipenem and Meropenem lying, but the Amoxycillin used to be out by the first week every month. Because - the population it was meant to cater was fraction of what was being seen - from all over the country, people would come to AIIMS and AIIMS would shovel off the load to Safdarjung more often than not, saying that it is another branch of AIIIMS (due to proximity with Yusufsarai road being the boundary)
Every day. You sweat like a pig in snow due to increased effort and high BMR. Further, due to wind proofs, the sweating profile increases. To ensure no Tinea Corporis cases occur, we ensure mandatory bathing after a move in heavy snow conditions and mandatory socks change with report to the NCO in-charge and up the chain. Every day, minimum 04 pairs of socks are changed typically.
As you are aware, the snow shoes are water proofed in addition to warm. And as you move, they sweat. And the probability of chill blains also becomes high in wet cold conditions. To prevent that - will tell you a trick that all allopathic training in you will revolt at - we stock Turnips before onset of winter. Soaking the feet with turnips in hot water did a better job than Pentoxyfillin for chill blains. Nevertheless, after every move outside, mandatory foot soak in hot water is undertaken aka 'foot drill'
Additionally, to circumvent the onset of Acute Mountain Sickness in case of rapid induction (surge) of troops not acclimatized, we start them on Acetazolamide bd day prior and continue till day after induction. But that is for extreme emergencies.
We melt snow to make water. Have water purification tabs available if required. But we demarcate snow that is to be exclusively used for water purposes and do not allow it to be contaminated. We face some problems as snow melts as slush comes. Then ofcourse cases of Gastroentritis occur. Also dogs are a problem as they leave excreta which dissolves in the snow and gets mixed at times. Enough to digust?
Back on point. We follow a strict water drill. minimum 1 litre of water three times a day is drunk by order 'water drill'. And tea is made a plenty. So fluids are maintained to best of ability.
Due to stress, gastritis is very common and as Indian mentality of not shitting once a day is a problem, due to straining, hemorrhoids.
Ask away, will answer
That's condition of medical college in 2005.
Now every district hospital s have MRI & CT scanner . And govt gifts 18k for delivering in govt hospital s .. effectively demolishing obstetrician private practice in TN.
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Glad to know, atleast generally, forward Army posts also have all the facilities and essential things required..