Israel-Hamas Conflict: Updates & Discussions
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Don't talk BS. Iskander-Ms are $3m. No MRBM is costing less than $1m, even if you used an ant farm to build it.
Please don't quote the Guardian on military matters.However, the attack was also expensive for Iran, with ballistic missiles generally costing upwards of £80,000. The US estimates Tehran had about 3,000, the largest arsenal in the Middle East.
How Iran’s attack on Israel was stopped
Massive drone and missile attack was defeated by Israeli military with orchestrated help of US, UK and Jordanwww.theguardian.com
MRBMs now cost less than HIMARS rockets? Sure....
The electronics still come from abroad. Materials and chemicals are also valued on international markets. If an Iskander-M costs Russia $3m, then sure Iranian costs might be lower due to slave(ish) labour but an MRBM is a lot bigger than an Iskander-M. So $3m is really a baseline bare minimum. Pershing IIs cost $7m in the early '80s, when a can of coke cost 15p. All the Iranian MRBMs used were a lot biggers than Pershings.
Nope, it goes to show than Ukraine only has a small token of older-generation western air defence capabilities. If those same attacks were aimed at Israel from Iran, jack shit would get through.
No, it's verified fact. There are video of drones hitting fracking columns, air bases and drone factories 100-1300km inside Russian.
YEah, so Iran has 3,000 total of which what % are MRBMs, because ~1/3rd of the Israel bunch were MRBMs. 120 BMs total, so they don't even have enough for a month of strikes. How well would Iran's air defences do against a similar assault.
Let me tell you, Iran are dismayed, they were expected half of them to get through, especially the BMs. They were expecting a bare minimum of a third to get through. The ones that made it him nothing significant, craters were on the ground away from the runway and taxiway. They are shocked and in dispair. They've been made look useless. Realistically a ~$0.5bn strike with nothing to show for it.
If that was the intention, they would have tried again. A second sortie would've been conducted later in the day. But they didn't because the message they wanted to send was that they can retaliate and that was sent.
The US played a similar role in encouraging de-escalation through diplomatic channels.
The Chinese leadership had no control over the escalation in Galwan, they just wanted to continue the salami-slicing that always give results. The escalation was the result of local area commanders going out of control. They had to change the Western theatre commander 4 times in a year since then to reign in the lower rung leadership.
Galwan was a gross miscalculation on the part of the Chinese and they almost lost control of all dominating heights in that sector of the LAC as a result.
They'll never make that mistake again.
What the UK's experiencing is an anti-incumbency wave. People are just tired of the stagnation under the Tories.
While anti-incumbency is generally a good thing, but with the Western Left trying to discredit and demoralize white people, like what happened in India from 1947 to the 2010s with Hindus, or what's been happening in America since 2012 or so, Brits are gonna make a terrible mistake, and 5 years will be enough time for Labour to almost permanently damage the UK.
You can expect white people to get attacked and demoralized at every turn. The SNP's hate speech laws will be enacted across the UK. Leftist agendas like the trans-agenda and climate-agenda will gain primacy, and extremists will gain control of govt, especially Muslims and Khalistanis, and you can expect significant changes to your schools, where Brit students, primarily white students, will be taught for the first about the past atrocities of the British Empire to further demoralize children right from schoolage. It's a long term game to create a single party state in the UK, where conservatives are relegated to a small minority.
Naturally, the immigration problem will be exacerbated in order to reduce the white population in terms of percentage from 87 to below 50%, like what's happening in the US. Birth rates anyone?
Indians and Asians are targets too, not just whites.
I guess too many Indians winning here, not Latin American or Blacks in it.
You can see that with all the sh!t Hollywood has been churning out as well. Especially all that race swapping; Ariel and Cleopatra as blacks, Snow White as a Latina and so on. The gaming industry has been hit too, especially by ugly-fying all female characters. Japanese and S Korean creators are being attacked right now, no idea when they will follow in the footsteps of Disney.
Moral of the story: Vote conservative or die. But Brits would rather sell their country to the devil than vote an Indian to power.
It's funny to say this, but now Hindu Indians are white people's only friends left.
Don't talk BS. Iskander-Ms are $3m. No MRBM is costing less than $1m, even if you used an ant farm to build it.
Please don't quote the Guardian on military matters.
For $3M, you can buy 4 Iskanders or 20 Iranian Zolfaghars.
They failed the first time, when they supposedly had surprise. How are they going to succeed a second time?
Their attack completely failed. Their targets were air bases, and they were forced to switch to targets that do not need such assets deployed; AWACS, EW aircraft, 30+ jets, none of these were required to hit targets at the border. 2 MKIs could do more than that against the targets they actually ended up attacking. These were secondary targets that were within the range of MLRS.
We were supposed to militarily retaliate to the incursion. The Chinese practically declared war, and we just sat on our as&es, when we had all sorts of military advantages.
Yeah, thankfully they were quite incompetent. But they still managed to prove we are toothless.
No, they didn't. They have successfully pushed us back in many areas. They have cut us off from Depsang via our own road for example.
Cuz it was a show of force. Making a lot of noise is part & parcel of that.
We had struck undisputed Pak territory in KPK, not the disputed PoK. True proportionate retaliation would've been striking Punjab, not J&K - which at that point we still hadn't fully 'annexed', it still had its own constitution.
But they didn't go there, as that would have caused a major retaliation. The Pak response had escalation management written all over it.
Pakistan & its military leadership have a lot more to lose than anyone in Iran does and they know it. They aren't idiots.
Nobody made a move on the size & scale of Op. Snow Leopard against the PLA for over half a century. That brought them right to the table real quick.
We squandered that advantage on the negotiating table, that's a different matter.
This wasn't just during Galwan. They'd been doing that inch by inch over the decades.
The element of surprize was already over when US expected an attack from Iran three days ago. This means they already had info.
It was after an Indian pilot was captured they were able to manage the escalation not before that. The treatment done to late Flt Lt Ahuja still horrifies the IAF.
That was a different era.
The power equation between our two countries was very different. The international scenario was very different.
These Iranian prices come from the same place that the $20k Shahed-136 figure did, before hackers found the actual cost was $290k. Multiply them all by at least 10.
Seriously, this is all just sour grapes from Iranian nut-swingers. They didn't hit anything, so suddenly SRBMs and MRBMs cost less than HIMARS rounds. You couldn't make this crap up, it's material worthy of a place on The Dictator II if they ever make a sequel.
Iran used a third of its entire MRBM stockpile.
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All the US assets that helped repel Iran’s attack on Israel
Multiple Navy warships, Air Force fighter jets and a missile defense battery helped take out Iran's attack on Israel.
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French Rafale Fighter Jets Destroyed Iranian Drones During Recent Attack on Israel
Defense News April 2024 Global Security army industryOn April 15, 2024, French President Emmanuel Macron announced on the BFMTV network that French forces, utilizing Rafale jets, had neutralized Iranian drones overflying Jordan and Iraq, thus contributing to Israel's defense. He confirmed that the French aircraft had taken off at the request of Jordan to intercept the Iranian drones, though he did not provide further details on the number of devices intercepted.
During the night of April 13-14, 2024, Israel was subjected to a significant attack by Iran, involving at least 300 missiles and drones. This offensive followed an Israeli Air Force strike on the consular section of the Iranian embassy in Damascus on April 1, 2024. In response, Israeli air defenses, supported by Iron Dome, David's Sling, and Arrow systems, as well as F-35I, F-15, and F-16 fighter jets and direct support from American and British forces, successfully intercepted 99% of the Iranian projectiles.
Before reaching Israel, these missiles passed through Jordanian airspace, which had warned it would shoot down any object violating its territory. While Jordan did indeed shoot down several Iranian drones, French forces stationed there also participated in neutralizing these threats. Israeli military spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari confirmed that French forces had assisted in countering the attack, following six months of close collaboration with their American, British, and other counterparts.
Since early March, as part of Operation Chammal, a component of the anti-jihadist coalition Inherent Resolve, four Rafale B jets from the 4th Fighter Wing have been stationed at the forward air base H5 in Jordan. These aircraft, configured for air-to-air missions, are equipped with Meteor and MICA IR/EM missiles and a Nexter 30M711 30mm cannon. Although the exact number of drones or missiles destroyed by these Rafales has not been disclosed, the French military command has not made any announcements on this matter, nor about a Houthi drone shot down on March 9 by a Mirage 2000-5 in Djibouti.
The Rafale is a twin-engine, multirole fighter aircraft designed and built by the French aerospace company Dassault Aviation. Distinguished by its delta wing and canard foreplane design, the Rafale is capable of conducting a wide range of short- and long-range missions, including ground and sea attacks, aerial reconnaissance, high-accuracy strikes, and nuclear strike deterrence. The aircraft is equipped with an integrated avionics system, and an electronic warfare system, and is capable of carrying a variety of weapons.
The deployment of Rafales in Jordan marks a significant first in regional and international defense, highlighting the rapid and effective response capability of the French forces against new aerial threats. President Macron emphasized the need to prevent escalation and to convince regional countries of the threat posed by Iran while strengthening sanctions and seeking to establish peace in the area.
The Chinese will have a far bigger barrage of missiles that they will send towards Taiwan and they will rely on their hypersonics.
They wanted to show their capability. The Iranian missile arsenal is just older Chinese and noko missile rip-off's. They can easily be intercepted on top of that NATO af's also assisted. The Iranians wanted to give as much as damage they could but failed because the iron dome, arrow and David sling combo is pretty effective. We don't have anything close to that when facing the Chinese or Pakistanis for that matter.
We lost in Galwan. Apparently we have lost 2000 SQ km after the discussion in 2022. The buffer zone has been considered a Chinese gain
2020–2021 China–India skirmishes - Wikipedia
Doubt that, chinese consider taiwan as their land including ppl as well. Chinese dont want to be seen as aggressors causing lot of death, they will try to bully taiwan to submission. They will just present a fait accompli.
There is chances of sea based assets getting hammered as the loss of lives & optics of damage will be very less, it will also send a message any fight is futile.