Jammu & Kashmir live updates: GOI remove all provisions of Article 370
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Ok. But can you please list out some viable options for Pakistan in short and medium term? Honestly speaking I can't find any.
1. Any conventional war will lead to decisive loss for Pakistan and further loss of territory. Remember Modi is not Indira Gandhi and he will extract every gram of flesh after war. So does not look like a good option.
2. Nuclear war will lead to massive destruction on both sides and Pakistan will cease to exist in it's current form.
3. Diplomacy is not exactly Pakistan's forte in current situation and there is very little chance of change in status quo.
4. Increase in Jihadi activities will lead to further destruction of Pakistan's economy and credibility in International arena. We have lived with this terrorism for last 40 years and won't affect us much.
Please feel free to add other options which I might have left. None of the above is going to get you an inch of Kashmir, rather there is a reasonable chance of loosing some part of PoK.
The best chance for Pakistan army generals is to keep their ego aside and try to fix the country. Remember they have lost vital time over last 3 decades when India and Bangladesh focused on their economy and moved ahead. It'll not be easy for Pakistan even if it decides to stop all Jihadi activities and focus on education and economy. It will take decades before the positive results will start showing up.
Unfortunately, neither Pakistani leadership nor the public show any sign of positive thought process.
Sir. Again. We had nothing to do with the issue. Please understand the implications of making statements that are baseless but have tremendous security implications.
I am dead sure of this one. We have an agreement not to target each others facilities in peacetime. And had we been complicit, we would have had a reverse incident by now. So, do not post things which are picked up by idiots on either side of border and made an issue of. Such things become 'evidence'
Nonsense.
Casualties will be high if they were forward deployed .. they vacated the southern ridge yesterday. And have not been able to come up again.
The intent remains to manage the LC as we expected Pakistan to up the ante. Please recollect, I did say that this time, this is not about J&K, but PoJ&K. That has become non-negotiable. Right now, we have been able to show adherence to Shimla Agreement. Pakistan is trying to mainstream the redundancy of same. By not doing anything rashly, we are allowing them to withdraw formally from the agreement. Rest, join the dots.
We share our facilities list with each other regularly to avoid any untoward incident.......
Only civil. But the implication of targeting military installations without provocation are too heavy.
This facility was neither ready nor was it in the list shared. As I stated, we demostrated our capability.
That is the problem which we face - dilemma of allowing people to post any and everything in order to get a TRP uptick or to call nonsense of either side out, as it is. We all chose the latter. Hence, less spectacular eye catching news here.
But rest assured, we make an attempt to post everything once verified to best of capability, and where have a doubt, it is clearly mentioned.
Sure. A pity then that the Chinese are no great followers of this type of muddle headedness.
I agree. The Shimla Agreement is the main problem to convert LOC to CFL. The idea of withdrawing our UN application of 1948, as stated by Sub. Swamy will not solve the problem as that has been replaced by 1972 Shimla Agreement and also Lahore Declaration of 1999. Even in the recent UN meetings, we had stuck to Shimla Agreement calling the issue a bilateral issue.
We have to come out of Shimla Agreement to be able to change the LOC significantly. We can at best occupy some dominating heights to say that we did it to stop infiltrations, but recovering POJK is not possible without an all out war due to international pressure. It is this chance that we want and praying for. Let Pakistan do something really stupid which allows us to go for an all out war.
Sir.
For once they (Pakistan Army) are being sensible .. who would have thought!!!!!
I think due to our foolish bilateral agreements we can't do much now. Sadly we have to hope for a successful terrorist attack by Pakistan to initiate the chain of events that can led to war. Nothing else is going to do that as Pakistan has informally surrendered it's claim on J&K and is not going to do any overt actions.
Not really... Mao had made the decision to attack India when Dalai Lama was given asylum in 1959, and he saw the anti Tibetan rebel operations as training for the war to teach India a lesson.. Nehru was too complacent that China would not attack, and he was put into this complacency by fellow kashmiri pandit Lt. Gen Kaul. So, we had a lightly manned border with China, and were surprised when China attacked.. China was preparing for this war for 3 years, inspite of contrary diplomatic signals... The forward policy only convinced Mao that he was right in trying to punish India... Some details are from the book China Pakistan axis by Andrew Small..
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I wish you had thought this one out before posting. I am pretty sure there are lot of ways to do things other than do exactly what the enemy accuses us of doing in order to 'tarnish' their image?
I knew the implications. I am really sorry for this post. It is just I couldn't contain myself.