Immediate reductions and resizing and reallocations for Armed Forces structure is required. Without that we will never have enough money to do anything.
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No such thing will happen
Modernisation and Indigenization have to be balanced with CURRENT WAR FIGHTING ABILITY
A lack of capabilities results in poor shows like Feb 27
That is why after 2016 Uri and Balakot
We had to make emergency purchases of
Thousands of crores
Similarly Resizing does not mean throwing out Trained personnel
If Retirement age of soldiers has to be increased as mentioned by Gen Rawat
It cannot happen overnight
You will have to see how many of them are Able and willing to serve after 45
Our Army is manpower intensive because
We have long borders with mountainous
Terrain along with internal commitments
And disturbances
Immediate reorganization of theater commands as soon as possible.
Removing all types of duplication across three forces.
Like all helicopter assets should be handled only by army aviation. Etc.
Then cutting down of non combative numbers.
It's all possible. But our Indian standard time and our attitude , that's the problem.
The only thing that is pinching and hurting
People and the media is Rising pension bills
But All soldiers and officers can
Take retirement after 20 years of service
With full pension
You cannot stop that
You can retrain and re deploy existing personnel but that also takes time and money
We give enormous Subsidies to our
Civilian population -- mostly for Votebank
Consideration
Giving pensions to Soldiers is the only thing that is bothering some people
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20 Tejas a year possible: HAL Chief
In what could change the dynamics of Indian military equipment-making market, the BrahMos missile could possibly be mounted on the Tejas fighter jet. Both are made in India.
The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is working to mount the much-talked about missile with the Tejas. The Chairman-cum-Managing Director of HAL, R Madhavan, on being asked if it was possible to fit the BrahMos on to the Tejas, said “Yes, it’s possible.” He had an exclusive chat with The Tribune on Friday on the sidelines of the DefExpo here.
On being asked if there was an expression of interest from BrahMos, Madhavan said “Yes. But we have not planned it as yet, but are thinking on those lines (to mount the missile on the jet)”.
The BrahMos may need another modification as the Tejas is smaller than the Sukhoi Su-30MKI. The missile may need to be lighter and dimensionally smaller.
The CMD of the public sector giant, on being asked if his company could make 20 Tejas per annum, said “easily”. He said ramping up production is not a big issue. The production line is fixed as per the number of order. As of now we have only 40 Tejas on order. Once we get the order of the next 83 Tejas Mark1A jets, we are geared up to make 16 planes and ramp it up to 20 per year.
The production speed depends upon the size of the order. Setting up a new line costs Rs 1,500 crore. With ramped up production, we can do the 83 Tejas Mark 1A jets within four years.
On advanced light helicopter (ALH) Dhruv, Madhavan said: “As of now we have order of 70 ALHs. Some 300 are already in service. “We are now aiming for more civil market operations”, he said, adding that copters are needed for immediate rescue and emergency situations.
On the light combat helicopters, he said, negotiations are in advanced stages to supply 15 such copters, 10 for the Army and five for the IAF.
In what could change the dynamics of Indian military equipment-making market, the BrahMos missile could possibly be mounted on the Tejas fighter jet. Both are made in India.
The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is working to mount the much-talked about missile with the Tejas. The Chairman-cum-Managing Director of HAL, R Madhavan, on being asked if it was possible to fit the BrahMos on to the Tejas, said “Yes, it’s possible.” He had an exclusive chat with The Tribune on Friday on the sidelines of the DefExpo here.
On being asked if there was an expression of interest from BrahMos, Madhavan said “Yes. But we have not planned it as yet, but are thinking on those lines (to mount the missile on the jet)”.
The BrahMos may need another modification as the Tejas is smaller than the Sukhoi Su-30MKI. The missile may need to be lighter and dimensionally smaller.
The CMD of the public sector giant, on being asked if his company could make 20 Tejas per annum, said “easily”. He said ramping up production is not a big issue. The production line is fixed as per the number of order. As of now we have only 40 Tejas on order. Once we get the order of the next 83 Tejas Mark1A jets, we are geared up to make 16 planes and ramp it up to 20 per year.
The production speed depends upon the size of the order. Setting up a new line costs Rs 1,500 crore. With ramped up production, we can do the 83 Tejas Mark 1A jets within four years.
On advanced light helicopter (ALH) Dhruv, Madhavan said: “As of now we have order of 70 ALHs. Some 300 are already in service. “We are now aiming for more civil market operations”, he said, adding that copters are needed for immediate rescue and emergency situations.
On the light combat helicopters, he said, negotiations are in advanced stages to supply 15 such copters, 10 for the Army and five for the IAF.
400 projects of LCA were given to IITs, IISc: Kota Harinarayana
Kota said that of the 400 projects, 398 were successful, which is a very good outcome.
By Express News Service
Published: 09th February 2020 06:09 AM
Prof P V M Rao from IIT Delhi addresses a panel discussion at IIT Industry Conclave 2020 in Bengaluru on Saturday | Saptarshi Mukherjee
BENGALURU: As manyas 400 design and development projects of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) were given to Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) and Indian Institute of Science (IISc), said the father of LCA, Kota Harinarayana, here on Saturday. He was talking at the first ever IIT-Indusry conclave that the IIT Alumni Centre Bengaluru (IIT-ACB) hosted in the city. Directors and alumni of various IITs across the country attended the two-day conclave that touched upon Industy-IIT collaborations in four key areas --- Biotechnology, Information and Communications Technology, Aerospace, and Manufacturing. IIT-ACB is located in Bengaluru which boasts of the largest, approximately 15,000, IIT alumni.
Kota said that of the 400 projects, 398 were successful, which is a very good outcome. He lauded the collaboration with the academia and said that the LCA, unlike the other aircraft did not meet with a single accident.Deep interactions made the hardware, software and design software possible, he said and added that India now has the ecosystem for the next generation of fighter jets.
Panellists including Sanjay Mittal, professor, IIT Kanpur, Ajit Prabhu chairman and CEO of QuEST Global, and Dr Bala Bharadvaj, managing director of Boeing India Engineering and Technology Centre, reiterated the need to update the IIT curriculum and the need to focus on teaching fundamentals to students , so they solve any problem, using the enabler – technology – which is always evolving.
Father of the Light Combat Aircraft Kota Harinarayana said that the Indian Air Force has sought 120 aircraft of the fourth-plus generation of LCA and an additional 200 aircraft of LCA Mark-2. The IAF has also confirmed the need for fifth generation fighters of two squadrons and is keen on the sixth generation fighters -- the unmanned combat aircraft. He said that with a lot of artificial intelligence involved, technology can be developed only in close collaboration with the academia.
400 projects of LCA were given to IITs, IISc: Kota Harinarayana
Kota said that of the 400 projects, 398 were successful, which is a very good outcome.
By Express News Service
Published: 09th February 2020 06:09 AM
Prof P V M Rao from IIT Delhi addresses a panel discussion at IIT Industry Conclave 2020 in Bengaluru on Saturday | Saptarshi Mukherjee
BENGALURU: As manyas 400 design and development projects of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) were given to Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) and Indian Institute of Science (IISc), said the father of LCA, Kota Harinarayana, here on Saturday. He was talking at the first ever IIT-Indusry conclave that the IIT Alumni Centre Bengaluru (IIT-ACB) hosted in the city. Directors and alumni of various IITs across the country attended the two-day conclave that touched upon Industy-IIT collaborations in four key areas --- Biotechnology, Information and Communications Technology, Aerospace, and Manufacturing. IIT-ACB is located in Bengaluru which boasts of the largest, approximately 15,000, IIT alumni.
Kota said that of the 400 projects, 398 were successful, which is a very good outcome. He lauded the collaboration with the academia and said that the LCA, unlike the other aircraft did not meet with a single accident.Deep interactions made the hardware, software and design software possible, he said and added that India now has the ecosystem for the next generation of fighter jets.
Panellists including Sanjay Mittal, professor, IIT Kanpur, Ajit Prabhu chairman and CEO of QuEST Global, and Dr Bala Bharadvaj, managing director of Boeing India Engineering and Technology Centre, reiterated the need to update the IIT curriculum and the need to focus on teaching fundamentals to students , so they solve any problem, using the enabler – technology – which is always evolving.
Father of the Light Combat Aircraft Kota Harinarayana said that the Indian Air Force has sought 120 aircraft of the fourth-plus generation of LCA and an additional 200 aircraft of LCA Mark-2. The IAF has also confirmed the need for fifth generation fighters of two squadrons and is keen on the sixth generation fighters -- the unmanned combat aircraft. He said that with a lot of artificial intelligence involved, technology can be developed only in close collaboration with the academia.
400 projects of LCA were given to IITs, IISc: Kota Harinarayana
Minus MAWS and IRST, it's pretty much everything that's been claimed for the F-35.
ADA and HAL should conduct the first flight of a Fully Equipped MK 1A
You cannot directly start Serial production
In 2023
Logically yes. Dunno what's the plan. But they have been saying that it doesn't require certificaiton.
Uttam will be installed in a LSP Tejas
For testing soon , in a fast moving maneuvering jet
Lots of work still to be done , it will take
More than 3 years at least
So it can be installed in MK 1A later on
DRDO is hoping Uttam will be ready in time for LCA Mk1A, but this is the IAF's decision. And considering the IAF's urgency, they may not go for it. But Uttam will definitely be on MWF.
Uttam is already flying on LCA.
Like bringing down own helicopter? IAF should be more professional. It's also good that Government increasingly clubs defense pensions with the total defense outlay... as pensions are legacy defense expenditures...
Also, India does not have the money for all the goodies for the armed forces.. No need to hurry with MMRCA 2.0 . Let the IAF make do with LCA.
Consequently, India will have to know its place and accommodate some territorial demands of China, as talking about 2 front war, only makes the Indian armed forces feel cocky, and demand more imported maal...
All Smiles as LCA-Tejas Squadron clocks 2000 sorties in the last 3 years – Indian Defence Research Wing
HAL to provide IAF with 83 Tejas fighters in Rs 39k cr deal
Rajat Pandit | TNN | Updated: Feb 17, 2020, 07:45 IST
NEW DELHI: The biggest deal in the indigenous military aviation sector has been finalised, with the overall cost of IAF acquiring 83 single-engine Tejas fighters and their support package from defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) being slashed from the earlier around Rs 56,500 crore to Rs 39,000 crore.
The over Rs 17,000 crore reduction in overall cost has come after hard-nosed negotiations spread over a year. The defence ministry and IAF were initially shocked at the “exorbitant price” being demanded by HAL to produce the 83 Tejas Mark-1A jets along with the maintenance and infrastructure package.
“With the contract price now settled at Rs 39,000 crore, the procurement file is being sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final nod. It should be cleared before this fiscal ends on March 31. Once the contract is inked, HAL promises to begin deliveries of the Mark-1A jets in three years,” said a source.
It was in November 2016 that the Defence Acquisitions Council had first approved the procurement of 83 Tejas jets at a cost of Rs 49,797 crore. But HAL had responded with a quote of around Rs 56,500 crore, which led to protracted cost negotiations. “HAL, for instance, was even charging profit on imported components. Item by item, the cost was brought down. IAF also cut down some of its support requirements,” said the source.
Down to just 30 fighter squadrons (each has 18 jets) when at least 42 are required for the requisite deterrence against Pakistan and China, the IAF is banking upon the long-delayed light combat aircraft
Tejas to make up the free fall in numbers.
The first four Rafale fighters will touch down at Ambala airbase in May, with the remaining 32 following in batches by April 2022 under the Rs 59,000 crore deal inked with France in September 2016. But the slow production rate of the home-grown Tejas fighters by HAL, much like its protracted development saga, remains a major concern for IAF.
The IAF’s ‘Flying Daggers’ squadron at Sulur has till now inducted only 16 of the original 40 Tejas Mark-1 fighters, which were all slated for delivery by December 2016 under two contracts worth Rs 8,802 crore inked earlier.
The 83 Tejas Mark-1A fighters are slated to have 43 “improvements” over the Mark-1 jets to improve maintainability, AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar to replace existing mechanically-steered radar, air-to-air refuelling, long-range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles and advanced electronic warfare to jam enemy radars and missiles.
“The flight testing for Tejas Mark-1A will hopefully be completed by 2022. After these 123 fighters, the IAF is also looking to induct 170 Tejas Mark-2 or the MWF (medium weight fighter) jets with more powerful engines and advanced avionics,” another source said.
But the Tejas Mark-2 and the indigenous stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft called the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) will take several years to fructify. For now, IAF is keeping its fingers crossed the Tejas Mark-1A does not get delayed any further.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...rs-in-rs-39k-cr-deal/articleshow/74166367.cms
Rajat Pandit | TNN | Updated: Feb 17, 2020, 07:45 IST
NEW DELHI: The biggest deal in the indigenous military aviation sector has been finalised, with the overall cost of IAF acquiring 83 single-engine Tejas fighters and their support package from defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) being slashed from the earlier around Rs 56,500 crore to Rs 39,000 crore.
The over Rs 17,000 crore reduction in overall cost has come after hard-nosed negotiations spread over a year. The defence ministry and IAF were initially shocked at the “exorbitant price” being demanded by HAL to produce the 83 Tejas Mark-1A jets along with the maintenance and infrastructure package.
“With the contract price now settled at Rs 39,000 crore, the procurement file is being sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final nod. It should be cleared before this fiscal ends on March 31. Once the contract is inked, HAL promises to begin deliveries of the Mark-1A jets in three years,” said a source.
It was in November 2016 that the Defence Acquisitions Council had first approved the procurement of 83 Tejas jets at a cost of Rs 49,797 crore. But HAL had responded with a quote of around Rs 56,500 crore, which led to protracted cost negotiations. “HAL, for instance, was even charging profit on imported components. Item by item, the cost was brought down. IAF also cut down some of its support requirements,” said the source.
Down to just 30 fighter squadrons (each has 18 jets) when at least 42 are required for the requisite deterrence against Pakistan and China, the IAF is banking upon the long-delayed light combat aircraft
Tejas to make up the free fall in numbers.
The first four Rafale fighters will touch down at Ambala airbase in May, with the remaining 32 following in batches by April 2022 under the Rs 59,000 crore deal inked with France in September 2016. But the slow production rate of the home-grown Tejas fighters by HAL, much like its protracted development saga, remains a major concern for IAF.
The IAF’s ‘Flying Daggers’ squadron at Sulur has till now inducted only 16 of the original 40 Tejas Mark-1 fighters, which were all slated for delivery by December 2016 under two contracts worth Rs 8,802 crore inked earlier.
The 83 Tejas Mark-1A fighters are slated to have 43 “improvements” over the Mark-1 jets to improve maintainability, AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar to replace existing mechanically-steered radar, air-to-air refuelling, long-range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles and advanced electronic warfare to jam enemy radars and missiles.
“The flight testing for Tejas Mark-1A will hopefully be completed by 2022. After these 123 fighters, the IAF is also looking to induct 170 Tejas Mark-2 or the MWF (medium weight fighter) jets with more powerful engines and advanced avionics,” another source said.
But the Tejas Mark-2 and the indigenous stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft called the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) will take several years to fructify. For now, IAF is keeping its fingers crossed the Tejas Mark-1A does not get delayed any further.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...rs-in-rs-39k-cr-deal/articleshow/74166367.cms