Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

As if IA have to catch a train to home.
They are sitting in your territory if you haven't noticed, you too can sit forever, setting an example to world that if you intrude in our country our Army will sit beside you. See the problem here? Onus is on us to make them evict not sit forever. In Doklam we could sit forever and it was on Chinese to make us leave.

BTW I honestly don’t get why are you on a defence forum, when you have such an aversion to war that you want to take chances against chinease.
Being on defence forum means you have to be pro war? I have no aversion to war, you are new here. I am for picking up your battles wisely and not leaving the job unfinished (something we regularly do).

I applied for TA but my institution was not ready to release me. Will apply again and again and maybe someday they will agree, till that time I am serving my country without gun.
 
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Saying this for long. USA is the ultimate gainer from the conflict b/w India and China.
This is because of the incompetence and corruption of the government and MOD babus, they have money to do emergency purchases but not to clear the dues of HAL and then it give it autonomy/disinvestment.
Why the hell did we buy 400 or more so T90's instead of more M777's when everyone knows that it is an absolute necessity, just to keep the PSU lobby backed by Russia happy?. We are playing with fire by still using OFB/PSU produced defective ammunition, weapons and monopoly. BJP needs to reforms instead of doing media management.
 
To whom it may concern- One thing history will teach you is that a smart enemy will always attack you when you are down and out, but it also teaches that you resist and fight no matter what, if you don't the enemy will arm-twist you every time you are in trouble. And defending oneself is not provocation!
 
This is because of the incompetence and corruption of the government and MOD babus, they have money to do emergency purchases but not to clear the dues of HAL and then it give it autonomy/disinvestment.
Why the hell did we buy 400 or more so T90's instead of more M777's when everyone knows that it is an absolute necessity, just to keep the PSU lobby backed by Russia happy?. We are playing with fire by still using OFB/PSU produced defective ammunition, weapons and monopoly. BJP needs to reforms instead of doing media management.
A battle tank instead of howitzer...?
 
A battle tank instead of howitzer...?

I am talking about this just to illustrate my point ,if money is the problem then more important stuff should get priority.
 

I am talking about this just to illustrate my point ,if money is the problem then more important stuff should get priority.
So you think that howitzer are less important than a main battle tank in mountain warfare? Or vice versa? Everything has its own importance....
 
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They are sitting in your territory if you haven't noticed, you too can sit forever, setting an example to world that if you intrude in our country our Army will sit beside you. See the problem here? Onus is on us to make them evict not sit forever. In Doklam we could sit forever and it was on Chinese to make us leave.


Being on defence forum means you have to be pro war? I have no aversion to war, you are new here. I am for picking up your battles wisely and not leaving the job unfinished (something we regularly do).

I applied for TA but my institution was not ready to release me. Will apply again and again and maybe someday they will agree, till that time I am serving my country without gun.
And your solution is worse than the problem itself.
On one hand you said that Chinease are occupying our territory. While on the other hand you are cursing India for picking a war of Murica’s behest and want us to force s Chinease surrender by Talking-out them
 
We have recieved some real hard stuff from Israel in last four weeks and more are to follow. Just like 1999 Kargil war, Israel is divertings its own stock of reserves to support India with active support from USA. Russians are facing a dilemma of whom to support as they know that whichever way the things go, they are bound to lose one strong weapons importer. They do not trust Chinese but need them for their oil export.
Eventually, Russians will also help India if we are able to take parts of Aksai Chin and dismember Pakistan. That will allow a direct pipeline of oil to India from Russia. What they lose in China, they will gain in India.

If the Russians have to pick sides based on the economics of their exports, then it's obvious China will be their first choice. India's weapon imports window is slowly coming to a close after all. Otoh, the Chinese need for oil and gas is currently much, much higher than India's, and the Russians have already signed multiple deals with them.

India's oil and gas market will take a decade to tap with oil and gas pipelines. By then the relations may change once again.

No. It may be true and might get operational with iron dome for Delhi within next ten days. Lot of stuff has already come in on deffered payment basis. We dont have to pay upfront and can pay over a period of time unlike Kargil. Modi's HCQ game has changed everything. Plus world wants to settle things with China. Pakistan is not even in their game plan. India holds all the aces as of today, china has none.

Iron Dome is entirely useless to protect Delhi.
 
Sir I am pretty sure if short skimish happens we have to use our airforce . But our airforce is no match for Chinese. Our best su30mki can't match Chinese. Even if bvr doesn't matter much in mountains the sheer number they possess will overwhelme our airforce. We have su30mki, mig29upg and m2k totalling more than 400. But they have 450+ Sukhoi copies and 300/400 j10 variants. Not counting bombers on both sides .

The problem for the PLAAF is the lack of air bases, the difficulty of their terrain and inferior force multipliers.
 
I'd wait for official news from the media instead of relying on Twitter when it comes to weapons procurement.

We can't afford THAAD, and it can't stop Chinese IRBMs anyway. It's a pointless acquisition.
I too would wait for official confirmation. And yes I am also not in much favour of THAAD acquisition, it has failed to give desired results in many incidents recently.
Btw the post says that final decision will be taken in the end of the month so there are still chances......
 
This is because of the incompetence and corruption of the government and MOD babus, they have money to do emergency purchases but not to clear the dues of HAL and then it give it autonomy/disinvestment.
Why the hell did we buy 400 or more so T90's instead of more M777's when everyone knows that it is an absolute necessity, just to keep the PSU lobby backed by Russia happy?. We are playing with fire by still using OFB/PSU produced defective ammunition, weapons and monopoly. BJP needs to reforms instead of doing media management.

We will buy more M777s once the order for 145 is complete. We have a requirement for a few hundred more. It obviously doesn't make sense to buy more right now, when the first contract is yet to be delivered.

And we most definitely need T-90s because we have a tank deficiency. Our oldest T-72s are already 35-40 years old. We will need another 400-500 tanks after this order. Plus the factory will be idle if we don't order more.
 
And your solution is worse than the problem itself.
On one hand you said that Chinease are occupying our territory. While on the other hand you are cursing India for picking a war of Murica’s behest and want us to force s Chinease surrender by Talking-out them
Is it out of habit you misquote, mis attribute, go out of context? I am responsible for what I say not what you understand and that will be last time I am responding to this.
 
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I'd wait for official news from the media instead of relying on Twitter when it comes to weapons procurement.

We can't afford THAAD, and it can't stop Chinese IRBMs anyway. It's a pointless acquisition.
Isn't THAAD only used under American supervision though? All those countries with THAAD have American soldiers operating it. How can we allow THAAD on Indian land since it goes against indian sovereignty??