Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Ankit Kumar said:
We are saying that we are trying to be peaceful, diffuse and disengage.

I don't think that translates into any storm.
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Indian bureaucracy and polity has surrendered. At best there will be a token action ... heaven forbid using nerf guns and water balloons.

Before you all kill me, its same anger as bakshi sahab.

 
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GASOLINE_ON_FIRE said:
That could be logically answered: our infrastructure doesn't support large scale mobilization. Even though the ball is in GOI's court, the move to further escalate should be taken while keeping clear final goals in mind. Think pragmatically. Some tough questions:
>Is our infrastructure built to the fullest extent? NO
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Is Chinas infra built to fullest extent? NO
>If we go to war with whatever infrastructure we currently have, will we win? Can be answered only by the planners. But pr(LOSS)>pr(WIN).
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If Sun Tzu also thought the same way. He wouldnt had fought any battle.
>With the rapid buildup in infrastructure on our side, will we be in a significantly better position in 2 to 3 years from now? Absolutely YES.
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But maybe in 2-3 years China has already captured whole of Ladakh .
>Will you want to go to war now with inadequate supply routes and weak infrastructure? or will you go tor war some years later from now when our infrastructure will be significantly stronger? I would choose the latter as that offers better chance of winning. But thats just my opinion and I am not privy to all the facts.
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people were waiting for this 'some years later with better infra' even in 1962. Somehow this few year later better infra never arrives.

>If we go to war right now and loose more territory due to inadequate supply lines and infrastructure, what will we do then?
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if you dont to war and China walks over in Ladakh what will you do then?

Some points that posters here need to understand:
>China is testing our resolve because they know the reality of our weakness in supporting large troop buildup.
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They have been doing that since 1962 only. testing resolve and grabbing land.

>As time goes on and India improves its border infrastructure, the window of handing a conclusive military defeat to India is closing fast. Such desperation to turn to violence seems to stem from this growing realization.
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Really?

>Any war in which you are forced into, you are already at a disadvantage.
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Seems you didnt learn anything from mahabharata.

>The way China keeps pressuring and needling us, we can turn the tables and start to pressure them once our infrastructure is developed to the fullest. Start minor incursions into tibet from all sides starting somewhere in 2023 and increase the tempo as years go by. Start land grabbing only when the infrastructure buildup is complete. Create tensions in undisputed areas too if you want.
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Infra building will never be complete. There is no such thing as complete infra building. It is a forever everhappening process.

>Resolve all the bickering in the domestic industry and induct LCH and LUH in large numbers. Improve and upgrade all the T72s, BMPs and deploy them all along the border with China. All the while induct more artillery and start to acclimatize troops in hundreds of thousands.
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Hmm. Go dig a well when you are feeling thirsty you mean.

>Topple the communists in Nepal, bring in a more friendly administration.
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In other words do some beating around the bush to fool general public

Sure, on the other hand an opportunity like this, where the entire world is against China and China is the aggressor in a conflict, come rarely. But, depending on external support to win a war with them is not a wise way to think.
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Agree. You cannot beat China even in rare conditions.
 
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India-China violent clash: Jharkhand government cancels train carrying labourers to Leh

Amid the violent clash between India and China along the border, a special train that was to carry 1,600 migrant workers to Leh from Jharkhand was cancelled
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Apparently yesterday's rumor from FrontalAssult on twitter was true.

India-China Violent Clash: Jharkhand Government Cancels Train Carrying Labourers To Leh
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It hints at two things

1. Govt. expects further trouble there and does not want cities bumbling in its path
2. Trouble could be large scale
 
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Lolwa said:
This seems lika an accident and falling of the ridge seems to be the major cause of death. It doesn't seem planned more like a blunder...
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we keep giving excuses to deceive ourselves. Death happened due to chinese occupation and give it different colors is just inexcusable. Next we will say accidental firing or punching...etc there will be no end to it.
 
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shaxm said:
Is Chinas infra built to fullest extent? NO

If Sun Tzu also thought the same way. He wouldnt had fought any battle.

But maybe in 2-3 years China has already captured whole of Ladakh .

people were waiting for this 'some years later with better infra' even in 1962. Somehow this few year later better infra never arrives.



if you dont to war and China walks over in Ladakh what will you do then?


They have been doing that since 1962 only. testing resolve and grabbing land.


Really?


Seems you didnt learn anything from mahabharata.


Infra building will never be complete. There is no such thing as complete infra building. It is a forever everhappening process.


Hmm. Go dig a well when you are feeling thirsty you mean.


In other words do some beating around the bush to fool general public


Agree. You cannot beat China even in rare conditions.
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There is no way to know that we are 100% ready, unless we fight and then know what is lacking. 1962 & 1965 war gave us opportunity to know about our weakness and act on it. Its not that we need to fight full scale but atleast we need to be tactical and try to put up a resistance. We might also uncover chinese weakness as well. If we could drag them till another two months till winter the battle will be half won. Avoiding confrontation altogether is escapism at the best.
 
jetray said:
While all-out combat may not be an immediate consequence of the deadly border clash, it’s clear India must reset the terms of its economic reliance on China.
If it doesn’t, the Chinese won’t just be assaulting India’s troops in the high mountain reaches; they will be right in our backyard.
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Think like a baniya, die like a baniya.
 
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Saaho said:
Indian bureaucracy and polity has surrendered. At best there will be a token action ... heaven forbid using nerf guns and water balloons.

Before you all kill me, its same anger as bakshi sahab.

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At the end of the day we get what we deserve. And as a part of society, i am not surprised.

Just disappointed.
 
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We don't have Rafales, AWACS or Refuellers. There is no point in fighting now, we won't be able to inflict serious damage and might even lose some territory and then would have to negotiate from even weaker point.
Better to wait for One and half yaer more, we will have sizeable number of Rafale's, most of the infrastructure will be completed by then. if government has any sense they should remove embraer from blacklist and get two more AWACS ASAP.
But then again, government is filled with idiots so I don't have any high hopes. The problem with this government is they don't want to do major reforms in MOD and procurement system but have a very big mouth.
 
janme said:
Better to wait for One and half yaer more, we will have sizeable number of Rafale's, most of the infrastructure will be completed by then. if government has any sense they should remove embraer from blacklist and get two more AWACS ASAP.
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What will you do if in 1 year you hear China has inducted 50 J-20s? And 30 new AWACS?

Last I heard a certain Vietnam fought against USA and kicked them out ... hard.
 
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Saaho said:
What will you do if in 1 year you hear China has inducted 50 J-20s? And 30 new AWACS?

Last I heard a certain Vietnam fought against USA and kicked them out ... hard.
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The latter is a false analogy. The Viets were fighting for independence from France & for reunification of their country against the US.

For a change, you ought to read about militarism in a faction of the imperial Japanese army pre WW-2 caused them to literally bludgeon all dissent & led Japan down the war path.

See this skirmish for what it is. India's refusal to accept new realities sought to be imposed on us by the CCP PLA combine. The situation is fluid. Our reaction will be determined by how true the Chinese will be to the recent de escalation measures they've agreed to.
 
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The latter is a false analogy. The Viets were fighting for independence from France & for reunification of their country against the US.
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Its not false analogy, its a simple fact : superior infra and equipment can be overcome.

Thats said, if it is decided that we cann't fight then remove the false pretense and surrender unilaterally. Let China take ALL the claimed land. Hope it does not repeat again.
 
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